Oh for sure. Honestly I think how hit or miss these shows have been is the biggest reason for its struggles. Most of the shows have been entirely forgettable. I was already checked out by this point in winter. Soldier/ falcon, And I still haven't even been able to finish Hawkeye. People are getting fatigued. Edit...although thinking about it...I think i'm being too kind. Racism is probably a factor also.
The Boys is a cynical and hella on point deconstruction of not just the super hero genre and its tropes, but also of the role superheroes play in popular culture and the overlap and intersection that's put them at the center of the military, celebrity, social media, and manufactured culture (IE: Capitalism). When Alan Moore wrote watchmen (this shows predecessor in so many ways) one thing he did, given the era he was in, was establish that in his universe because superheroes were real children obviously wouldn't be reading comics about them. Hence: the black freighter sub plot.
The Boys recognizes, correctly, that superheroes are so engrained and essential to the post 9/11 western cultural makeup that its basically impossible to do a universe where superhero fandom doesn't exist. The Boys posits a world where superheroes are all just asshole sociopath celebrities and corporate personality brands and products...but recognizes that they'd still sell toys, movies, and party supplies about them to six year olds.
Now to be clear: I'm not saying Ms. Marvel is or ever will be as good as the Boys and its too early to say what its impact will be at this stage, but just in the first two episodes it feels like an attempt at hopeful reconstruction of these tropes and ideas. Kamala is a Marvel fangirl living inside of the Marvel Universe who goes to Marvel conventions...but the cynical critique of how this is all bullshit manufactured culture is replaced with a pretty cute coming of age story about how all this stuff has had a pretty formative impact on a lot of people whether we like it or not.
Ah I see, thanks for the explanation! I don't really like cape stuff so pretty much the only superhero related show I watch is the boys, so this wasn't on my list anyway
Jokes aside I do think the show could have ended on a stronger note that wasn't such paint by the numbers super hero action but everything up to that point was great and I would argue it was (accidental or no), the definitive covid 19 show given how it's a show all about isolation and retreating into nostalgic fantasy. I'll also never forget the moment in episode 03 where they make the perfect meta joke about mystery box shows where you see them all huddled around the monitor binging the 'wanda show' looking for clues and eating Chinese food and it's impossible not to realize you're looking at a mirror.
For the record: based on episodes thus farMs. Marvel is the best of the marvel shows after Wanda vision. It's like a direct response to the boys.
....it's counter revolutionary yes...but it's a good show.
That's fine, but the person tweeting about how Ms Marvel isn't doing well enough is because of racial bias is just stupid.
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Oh for sure. Honestly I think how hit or miss these shows have been is the biggest reason for its struggles. Most of the shows have been entirely forgettable. I was already checked out by this point in winter. Soldier/ falcon, And I still haven't even been able to finish Hawkeye. People are getting fatigued. Edit...although thinking about it...I think i'm being too kind. Racism is probably a factor also.
When you say it's a direct response to The Boys what do you mean?
The Boys is a cynical and hella on point deconstruction of not just the super hero genre and its tropes, but also of the role superheroes play in popular culture and the overlap and intersection that's put them at the center of the military, celebrity, social media, and manufactured culture (IE: Capitalism). When Alan Moore wrote watchmen (this shows predecessor in so many ways) one thing he did, given the era he was in, was establish that in his universe because superheroes were real children obviously wouldn't be reading comics about them. Hence: the black freighter sub plot. The Boys recognizes, correctly, that superheroes are so engrained and essential to the post 9/11 western cultural makeup that its basically impossible to do a universe where superhero fandom doesn't exist. The Boys posits a world where superheroes are all just asshole sociopath celebrities and corporate personality brands and products...but recognizes that they'd still sell toys, movies, and party supplies about them to six year olds.
Now to be clear: I'm not saying Ms. Marvel is or ever will be as good as the Boys and its too early to say what its impact will be at this stage, but just in the first two episodes it feels like an attempt at hopeful reconstruction of these tropes and ideas. Kamala is a Marvel fangirl living inside of the Marvel Universe who goes to Marvel conventions...but the cynical critique of how this is all bullshit manufactured culture is replaced with a pretty cute coming of age story about how all this stuff has had a pretty formative impact on a lot of people whether we like it or not.
Ah I see, thanks for the explanation! I don't really like cape stuff so pretty much the only superhero related show I watch is the boys, so this wasn't on my list anyway
GOOD post
Wandavision sucked several body parts at once.
And what a lovely experience it was 😝
Jokes aside I do think the show could have ended on a stronger note that wasn't such paint by the numbers super hero action but everything up to that point was great and I would argue it was (accidental or no), the definitive covid 19 show given how it's a show all about isolation and retreating into nostalgic fantasy. I'll also never forget the moment in episode 03 where they make the perfect meta joke about mystery box shows where you see them all huddled around the monitor binging the 'wanda show' looking for clues and eating Chinese food and it's impossible not to realize you're looking at a mirror.