• jackmarxist [any]
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    2 years ago

    Venezuela is in urgent need of defence support from China. I don't trust crackers

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I really hope China emerges from its isolationist cocoon and grows some teeth. They let Khan fall in Pakistan and it was right next to them. They need to learn a lesson from Russia, when allies are in peril you need to stand up for them or else they will keep knocking over your allies

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        China wants to eliminate blocs altogether, not create new ones. They will maintain this "no interference" position to take up a position as the moral leader of the world and instead aim to influence completely through economics.

        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Ok then the US will keep funding terrorists to blow up their BRI projects and keep throwing coups and overthrowing their allies. Eventually when nations see China sitting there doing nothing they will stop allying with China.

          It’s time to emerge from your isolation China and enter the real world. “Moral leadership” sounds like idealist hogwash and we all know it. I think they are overreacting from their embarrassing foreign policy gaffes during the late stages of the Vietnam War by completely giving up on the global stage. They need to correct for their mistakes and get back up there instead of giving up.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            I disagree. I think the promotion of national sovereignty and use of economics to create the material conditions that makes free sovereign countries WANT to be friendly with you is the only possible way to avoid a ww3 scenario.

            Economics is not idealism at all. China is not shying away from economic influence globally and you can see this in all of their projects across latam, africa and belt and road.

            Political influence will emerge from economic influence without the need for blocs.

            • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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              2 years ago

              Economic influence can be destroyed with a military strike. There is no replacement for defense. Like I said, we will see increasingly bold sabotage of Chinese investments until it’s no longer viable for them to invest, or the Chinese are reluctantly forced to defend their investments or withdraw economically. Might as well get ahead of it and just defend your investments in the first place

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                2 years ago

                Be dialectical. The effects of that behaviour are not sustainable. They contribute to the closing of ranks of sovereign countries outside the imperial core and turn every single sovereign country into an entity that regards the empire as an enemy and other sovereign countries as allies in opposition to it. It will unite the sovereign nations and their response will be to reduce economic ties with the empire while increasing economic ties with free sovereign countries.

                As this developing world gains in power the empire will be forced into either walling themselves off from this new economic alliance of the free countries and seeking greater profits from its own population.

                This is the only option on the table. It's that or ww3 :posadist-nuke:. The empire may choose ww3 regardless of China's attempt to go down this path but it is the only chance for something that doesn't kill us all.

                • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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                  2 years ago

                  I think it’s the idealist and non-dialectical tact is “moral leadership” and just hoping, despite all evidence, that the imperialists don’t fuck your shit up. They will fuck your shit up. They will destroy the BRI with violence, and they will throw coups in dozens of nations if that’s what it takes to try and cling to power. There is zero doubt about this, this is how the American empire has always acted and will continue to act.

                  They will have to be confronted. There’s no way around it.

                  Refusing to accept this reality will ensure your shit gets fucked up a lot harder and a lot sooner. It’s sticking your head in the sand to ignore the violent wing of imperialists. If Russia had acted this way Syria, Belarus and Kazakhstan would be fascist US puppet states right now.

                  • Awoo [she/her]
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                    2 years ago

                    I don't know why you're getting hung up on me saying the phrase moral leadership rather than the economics of the situation.

                    Sovereign nations will learn to counter the coups and cooperative arrangements to prevent that interference already exist and will only continue to develop further. Those "no interference" arrangements can only be achieved if they are real and authentic.

                    It will either work or ww3 will happen regardless. There isn't a different option on the table that doesn't create ww3 and I don't see how anybody wins in that scenario.

                  • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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                    2 years ago

                    In fact, the lack of action from Russia in 2014 during the Ukrainian Maidan coup is exactly why we are in this current crisis. The war could have been avoided if Russia was able to act at that time, but they were constrained in various ways.

                    It goes to show that idealist pacifism now will only result in even worse war and crisis later.