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Agreed. Don't go for an expensive gucci gun, don't buy the cheapest thing out there. Every gun manufacturer and retail store is chud owned so just get the best deal you can.
Yeah it's the best option simply due to its popularity and the shear amount of accessories/customization options, and also the ammo availability.
I can't see a price for that pistol?
edit: nevermind, I figured it out lol
Yeah it's not cheap but it's not too bad and if you're looking for something reliable and compatible with lots of customization it's a good investment.
It depends on your threat level. If you’re in hog county and you’re not a visibly straight white guy, you could benefit from both. But if your neighborhood is safe but you travel to another city for work where it’s more hostile, then a handgun might serve you better.
M&P 2.0s have been on sale under $400 and that’s quite a steal for an extremely underrated gun which have been compared favorably to Glocks
However, I highly suggest you don’t spend the entire $1000 on a single gun. You will need ammo and potentially a safe. A good safe and beginner’s stockpile will cost over $500 total. So personally, if I had $1000, it would be pistol, safe, and ammo. (AR ammo tends to be more expensive and you will get less)
Alternatively, you can go for a .22 rifle for training. But if you plan on defense and can’t afford to buy multiple guns, I’d stick to just getting a defensive gun i.e. 9mm pistol
A good safe
Absolutely second this, esp for a pistol
Glocks are good if you want something with cheap magazines (you can occasionally find cheapo 30-rounder sticks for $10 and Glock factory magazines are cheap compared to other OEM pistol magazines) and a lot of aftermarket support. Older .40 caliber models can also be converted to 9mm and they're pretty plentiful used.
Yeah some companies are a lot worse than others with that; also lots of pistol-caliber carbines use Glock mags so it's a bit less of a spendy proposition to buy one if you've already got the feeding devices handy.
depends what you want it for
AR-15 is a good all-rounder, or so i've been told
but if you need something to carry with you, Nako suggested a handgun
Thanks!
and a warm hello :fedposting: assigned to Hexbear tonight, I want this gun so I can protect myself from the dastardly communists, just to clarify
if youre a small bitch like me ar15 is the only decently priced option for a rifle. i feel like my tits will get blasted off every time i use a big heavy shotgun with my redneck friend :shrug-outta-hecks:
i can see a long ranged sport rifle with a scope too. good for hunting if youre desperate next time a big hurricane like katrina hits idaho and decimates the population and the KKK is roaming around eating people or some shit which kinda actually happened during katrina :doomjak:
I will use it for the reasons people on here who post about how it's probably a good idea to learn how to use and obtain a gun would use it for, I guess, Idunno.
Advice on the expected uses would be nice too
On pistols:
My first gun was a 1911. Had it for years, went to the range with a box of ammo monthly, never got better than like a 8" groups at 10 yards. COVID hit, grabbed a 22 semi auto and was able to burn 1500 rounds in a week thanks to cheaper ammo (lucked out at 5 cpr) and dropped that down to 3" at 10 yards within that week. Another year and a half with the gun and I'm down to 3" at 25 with both of the pistols.
On rifles:
Well after I bought my pistol, I got a Ruger 10/22. It's a semi auto rifle in 22lr. I started out at like 6-8" at 25 yards, but one week, one Appleseed, and a box of 22 later I was punching holes in quarters at that distance.
Rifles are great. Training is great. Combining them is the quickest way to get deadly.
On caliber:
A gun is better than no gun. Shot placement is VASTLY more important than bullet size and energy. The best gun is the one you have when you need it. The best gun is the one you can shoot comfortably and practice with regularly. Every caliber on the market is deadly if you're a good shooter.
My recommendations (if you're okay with the 1 gun shooting little bullets):
Everyone should own a Ruger 10/22 ($300-$500). (I like the take-down version.) High velocity 22 out of a carbine length barrel will readily destroy things, and it's the quickest thing to get good with. Add in some bolt-to-receiver tech sights (or a mounting plate/rail and a red dot), few spare 10 round mags, and a couple 25 round mags for fun. Automatic bolt release is a good upgrade if you're mechanically minded and like to fiddle with things.
OR
Taurus tx22 ($200-250) + tandemkross sights ($80) (the included rear sight is literal garbage, it jiggles with every shot), or KelTec P17 (below $200), extra magazines. Mostly recommending because they're a good value; cheap and accurate.
Gonna need basic cleaning and lubrication products either way, and possibly a locker depending on local legalities
Other recommendations:
Striker fired double stack semi auto 9mm pistol. This is essentially the default first gun recommendation for defensive handgun use. Glock 19 ($500) (9mm pistol) if your hands fit it. It's a popular brand for a reason. If they don't, see if you can find an HK VP9 ($750), they have tons of grip adjustability. If you have really tiny hands, a SIG P320 ($450-600) with a small grip module will be your favorite gun.
Ar-15 in 5.56/223/223 Wylde: they shoot soft while shooting real rifle rounds, they have adjustable everything, you will never have to look far for parts. Provided you don't get short term PTSD, it's one of the easiest to use and maintain rifles ever made. The only downside is it's a scary black gun and that comes with baggage. Like, an AR with a good red dot is literally just point and click at anything within 150 yards.
Final thoughts:
Shotguns get recommended for home defense a lot and like, I have one for that purpose and it's really probably the best choice IF YOU'RE GOOD AT IT which no one will be from day one because they fucking hurt to shoot and racking a pump is surprisingly easy to fumble and fuck up and they don't fucking come with any sights so there is only intuition to work with which is fucking awful when you can just slap a red dot on an AR spend a few minutes sighting it in and then punch thirty holes in anything that bumps in the night.
AKs are an awesome platform and lefty meme but you are not going to be able to get ammo or parts and you will be drawing attention to yourself.
Buy a 10/22. They're fun and accurate.
Buy a double stack 9. Everybody else has one.
Buy an AR-15, it's America's gun for a reason.
Or fuck, idk, any of the 22 semi auto pistols because they're cheap to run and the only way to get good with a pistol is shooting thousands of rounds: Ruger mark IV, Keltec P17, Keltec CP33, SW victory, Taurus tx22, Browning Buckmark. Whatever.
Oh I should also recommend that you hold a 1911 and pull the trigger. That was a religious moment for me. It was a straight up "this gun chose me" moment in the store. I was there for a Springfield XD and saw a pretty 1911, asked to hold it and it and dry fire it and in the fraction of a second before the trigger broke I felt the spirit of John Moses Browning himself hug me from behind and whisper "here it comes" in my ear. There were angels singing. It won two world wars because 45 ACP is God's chosen caliber. A well placed round of 45 ball from a 1911 doesn't just kill the body, it kills the soul.
How much money? I always recommend the 995TS just cause it's really cheap, reliable, simple, and easy to clean . Also it takes 9mm so if you live in an apartment and god forbid have to use it, it's less likely to get as much wall penetration. Usually go for around 200 dollars
https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/hi-point-carbines/hi-point-9mm-carbine.php
Oh good to know, didn't realize that. I just have one and tbh I love the thing. Dead on accurate and I got it used for like 230 dollars but in some parts of the country they Sell used for like less than 200
depends on your use of it. is it personal defense or for when the real shit goes down? pistol for former, rifle for the latter. if pistol, do you want to carry it? Id say P365 if youre going to carry, maybe a Beretta if you arent. i have both and they are great but i use one for home and the other for ccw.
side note: what's the deal with CC? I heard something about a SCOTUS ruling that basically nullifies the need for permits or something?
some states required people to prove they are being threatened and need a gun for that reason, and SCOTUS struck it down. then again, who gives a fuck what the federal govt thinks at this point, apparently the only legal document that exists is the original constitution. cant wait for them to be like "well the founding fathers didnt say black people should be allowed to vote"
Go to a nearby gun store (or store that sells guns) and take some time physically handling them.
From my experiences.
I like collapsible/adjustable stocks. I haven't figured out if my arm proportions are weird or what, but my ability to comfortably hit targets at distance when I occasionally went to a range was like night and day between using an M16 rifle with a standard butt stock and an M4 carbine with an adjustable stock. (This translates to an AR platform.)
As much as I like the adjustable steel sights that the military has standard on M16's/M4's, get a cheapo holographic sight thingie. When I say "cheapo" I mean, cheapo. You should be able to find one new for like $25 US. My eyesight isn't the greatest and my hands aren't the steadiest and these are great for compensating for that at ranges under, like, 50 feet when trying to fire at a target unsupported. These doohickies can speed up the time it takes for you ready the rifle and find your aim, aiming when wearing glasses or goggles, sweat in your eyes, or firing from less than ideal body positions with some confidence that you can hit some part of your target.
NOTE: Any weapon with adjustable sights is going to be useless until you take the time to zero them. Zeroing your shit is priority one once you've decided on what you want to own.
.22 caliber carbines are cheap, lightweight, have next to no recoil, can be fired fast and reliably hit a target, and there are .22 caliber pistols that use the same ammo which can make managing your fire arms needs a bit easier. Lacks the stopping power and range of a 5.56 chambered AR platform though. So practice shooting slightly below center mass (around the "belly" area of a human silhouette paper target).
Fun Fact: A decent amount of fire arm combat in urban environments happens around 30 ~ 50 feet at the maximum. So long range rifles aren't going to be the best for general self defense purposes.
As much as I like the adjustable steel sights that the military has standard on M16’s/M4’s, get a cheapo holographic sight thingie. When I say “cheapo” I mean, cheapo. You should be able to find one new for like $25 US. My eyesight isn’t the greatest and my hands aren’t the steadiest and these are great for compensating for that at ranges under, like, 50 feet when trying to fire at a target unsupported. These doohickies can speed up the time it takes for you ready the rifle and find your aim, aiming when wearing glasses or goggles, sweat in your eyes, or firing from less than ideal body positions with some confidence that you can hit some part of your target.
Just for the record, those cheapo sights will not last. Not only will they break quickly, but they will not hold zero for more than a hundred rounds or so. If you really need a red dot or whatever, invest the money ASAP. Holosun and Vortex both make some affordable-ish options, and if you've got the cash, Sig and Trijicon make some bangers.
Just for the record, those cheapo sights will not last.
This is the correct take.
Counter point, for a starter weapon, when you're trying to figure out things, its best to break the cheap shit that was never expected to last than to learn on a $100+ dollar set of optics.
True, breaking cheap shit is better than breaking expensive shit. Just making sure they're aware not to bet their life on the cheap stuff.
