Consider the lobster!

  • alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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    2 years ago

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    I don't get the last one. How does a deterministic universe mean you're not really making a choice?

    Is there some definition of choice that means "selecting by true randomness" as opposed "selecting based on personal conditions and history"?

    • WideningGyro [any]
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      2 years ago

      Unfortunately even some people who've spent the majority of their life studying philosophy still don't get that there's a difference between determinism and fatalism

      • HoChiMaxh [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The wording of the question doesn't use either of those terms, but it describes a fatalistic universe:

        Oh no! A trolley problem is playing out before you. Do you actually have a choice in this situation? Or has everything been predetermined since the universe began?

        :shrug-outta-hecks:

        • WideningGyro [any]
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          2 years ago

          It doesn't - "predetermined" implies deterministic, not fatalistic. It's completely possible to envision a deterministic universe in which choice exists. That's the premise of compatibilism.

          • HoChiMaxh [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I mean there's a limit to how much of a debate I want to have about this, but the wording is not simply that outcomes are predetermined, but that all outcomes have been predetermined since the universe began. That's a more extreme case than determinism, that's a description of fate.

            And the question is agnostic about how that affects free will, that's what you're being asked your opinion on.

    • HoChiMaxh [he/him]
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      I think embedded in the word "choice" is an implication that the chooser could select either option. If the universe is predetermined they couldn't do otherwise, so they may experience a feeling of empowerment that they ultimately lack.