i don't usually point left cop-brain out but like in this specific instance how exactly do you think a more refined state apparatus of criminalization and punishment is going to cure people of worship of state violence lmao like
The point is that the violence needs to be turned towards them to drive their evil out of the population. Moreover, it isn't more refined, just targeted at a more useful group to hurt. We can use roughly the same mechanisms in place now, just change what behavior constitutes "illegal"
Re-education won't work without punishment. These guys will also go out of their way to target groups they think are criminals in some way, such as immigrants and minorities. If the states not on their side they might still be violent.
I'm saying it won't work at all because the method of teaching directly contradicts the lesson. If you believe in "re-education" by force, then you fundamentally agree with the redditor that laws are the foundation of communities, that violating laws makes communities more dangerous, and that enforcing them makes communities safer. Like you have to grapple with this contradiction of state communism if you're saying shit like "we'll use the same mechanism capitalists use now" like what do you think the DotP is? Like is it a radical break from current modes of state administration or is it just the same thing but with good people hurting the bad people?
I'm not agreeing with this redditor, but if you just told every American "hey there's no laws now" lots of terrible things would happen because of how reactionary this country is. It's not just the millionaires and billionaires we will need to take out, but a lot of cops and other right wing freaks. DotP will be a fundamental different way of governing, my point was if you put in communists as elected officials now somehow they could still improve the quality of life for minorities in this country by rounding up and re-education reactionaries. If we don't re-educate them by any means necessary, the only alternative is that they kill us or we kill them.
if someone believes you should obey the law because it is the law, and that makes them a reactionary, who exactly do you determine is breaking the law by being a reactionary? I'm not even attacking authoritarianism as such here, I'm just saying it's ill equipped to deal with the attitude presented in the screenshot.
I've spent a while thinking about this one, and you make a fair point. I guess ultimately I can't make someone think, but if benefits of being a critically thinking adult don't entice them punishment might. Past that I don't know what we could do.
i don't usually point left cop-brain out but like in this specific instance how exactly do you think a more refined state apparatus of criminalization and punishment is going to cure people of worship of state violence lmao like
The point is that the violence needs to be turned towards them to drive their evil out of the population. Moreover, it isn't more refined, just targeted at a more useful group to hurt. We can use roughly the same mechanisms in place now, just change what behavior constitutes "illegal"
ATTENTION CITIZENS IT IS NOW ILLEGAL TO BELIEVE THAT LAWS ARE A MORAL END IN THEMSELVES like do you hear yourselves
Re-education won't work without punishment. These guys will also go out of their way to target groups they think are criminals in some way, such as immigrants and minorities. If the states not on their side they might still be violent.
I'm saying it won't work at all because the method of teaching directly contradicts the lesson. If you believe in "re-education" by force, then you fundamentally agree with the redditor that laws are the foundation of communities, that violating laws makes communities more dangerous, and that enforcing them makes communities safer. Like you have to grapple with this contradiction of state communism if you're saying shit like "we'll use the same mechanism capitalists use now" like what do you think the DotP is? Like is it a radical break from current modes of state administration or is it just the same thing but with good people hurting the bad people?
I'm not agreeing with this redditor, but if you just told every American "hey there's no laws now" lots of terrible things would happen because of how reactionary this country is. It's not just the millionaires and billionaires we will need to take out, but a lot of cops and other right wing freaks. DotP will be a fundamental different way of governing, my point was if you put in communists as elected officials now somehow they could still improve the quality of life for minorities in this country by rounding up and re-education reactionaries. If we don't re-educate them by any means necessary, the only alternative is that they kill us or we kill them.
if someone believes you should obey the law because it is the law, and that makes them a reactionary, who exactly do you determine is breaking the law by being a reactionary? I'm not even attacking authoritarianism as such here, I'm just saying it's ill equipped to deal with the attitude presented in the screenshot.
I've spent a while thinking about this one, and you make a fair point. I guess ultimately I can't make someone think, but if benefits of being a critically thinking adult don't entice them punishment might. Past that I don't know what we could do.