Shitposting is how I cope with my autism. Grabbing the keyboard and drunkenly slapping it until some nuclear hot takes fall out is oddly therapeutic.
no, you should have made it - it holds the mirror up to the rest of us. self crit and contructive crit is important.
I know that I post a lot of garbage on this website, usually to vent and cope with major depression and adhd, but i'd like to think that i'm never shitting on anyone else neurodiverse or with harder to manage battles than I have.
However, you've made me ask myself "well, what if i have been?" and to focus more on that. And that's helpful.
You guys make your hot takes drunk? I'm too cowardly to make them unless sober enough to drive
I post all of my nuclear takes stone sober.
It's not as fun I suppose, but it means I can try to look at them critically better, I guess.
I mostly agree with you. Way too many people here are absurdly ironically detached and that makes them extremely toxic. But I think that's a huge problem with the western left in general, not just Hexbear.
Ironic detachment is both an interesting Rhetorical tool, and an ineffective community building tool. I understand that people like to be detached and use irony to parse the insanity that is the Internet, but it’s a bad way to interact with people who are also on your side supposedly. Jokes are fun and Jibbs and jabs Bring some vitality to the site, but often it seems to be used to dunk on each other rather than our opposition. Internet brain poisoning is truly the worst part of the left. I think we should our save the vitriol for the libs.
https://youtu.be/-ZN_EaqtNk4 - The Cure Closedown
relevant song
Because of how detached and isolated everyone is - especially on the internet - people attempt to "irony" themselves into sincerity. They try to use irony as an attempt to seem more self aware, to become more genuine through (bullshit) "introspection," but instead they just spiral down even further. Separating themselves further and further from geniuity.
Are you disagreeing with me? Because that's what I'm saying.
Nah you're good. Every time I give my opinion on the internet I expect to be met with backlash so I'm primed to misinterpret things
They try to use irony as an attempt to seem more self aware, to become more genuine through (bullshit) “introspection,” but instead they just spiral down even further.
A lot of what I post is not ironic, but that doesn't seem to help me any.
We all do it, really. But I think we see this the most with far right people on the internet, as they're usually the most detached and use irony to cover the internal contradictions of their ideology.
Well, I think try & confront them directly to resolve them, but I feel like that then just ends up making me look insane to everyone around me I think. Which is sort of what I mean when I say that it doesn't help me much.
I'm sorry, but try and confront what directly? People? Yourself?
Uh, yes; but more specifically the contradictions within my own thinking, & sense of the world. Or something.
I'm not trying to make a joke here, btw. Sometimes I just have muddled thoughts.
Oh ok. You're good, I just wanted to clarify. Self-criticism is still important and always will be, but I think the ironic "self-awareness" we see on the internet is different from that. People try to act self-aware, so they pick on things about themselves that are low hanging fruit. They never try to analyze the conditions that shaped them.
These are the types of people who claim they can't be racist because they aren't consciously aware of any racism. Because they've tricked themselves into thinking they are self-aware, they end up separating themselves further and further from actual genuineness.
IDK if that makes much sense lol
Hexbear has it amped up to 11 though
the only place worse for it is like leftypolReally? That hasn’t been my experience at all. This is one of the only places online I’ve really felt solidarity. The site can boil up sometimes, but most of the time it’s pretty comfy
:comfy:
yeah, it is nice most of the time, but it does have a problem with ableism
one of the mods of this very comm resigned over it
I guess? It’s not something I’ve experienced, but I’m sorry that’s something you’ve encountered.
:vivian-shrug:
If there’s anything that could be done to help, you and our fellow ND comrades are well worth the effort. If you’re just venting, :meow-hug:
Hey OP, other ND hexbearian here. I’ve seen you around on the site and think I recognize you from a past account.
Advice on why I think you might be experiencing a sense of rejection
It seems like you might have a tendency to default to a position of feeling personally attacked by a topic and then spiraling, which can pretty quickly set others into a defensive mode.
It’s worth continuing to work on “mindfulness” and taking a breath before defaulting to that mode. This site is pretty accepting of folks, but also hardened against concern trolls.
When you spiral, it can feel really jarring for others who are also ND and pretty “harsh” as a conversational texture. Not sure if that makes sense to you or not, I have an off way of conceptualizing convos. I personally struggle with mindfulness, so I empathize (even though you pissed me off that one time lol)
Anyway, solidarity.
Yeah… that’s tough and makes me anxious even reading, so all I can say I guess is that my advice on mindfulness remains something that might be helpful. Going to disengage for now, take care.
What do you think we need to work on to elevate your comfort over our jokes? If that sounds at all like a joke or jeer it isn't, I want to know how we can improve.
You mean the whole doomer feel and calls for violence in the face of hopelessness? Yeah it's not the most useful thing. Maybe we should make specific purging posts to get our feelings out on and try to spread more bloomer energy on the rest of the site.
I don't think irony poisoning will be going away until we're part of strong parties, unfortunately. I think it's very much a "very tiny fringe political minority online" phenomenon, it helps folks cope.
IRL organizing can be better, at least if you find the right working group. Not that you aren't welcome here, comrade, because it's good that you're here. But if you're looking for a way to avoid that culture, you might appreciate an inclusive irl leftist space.
I'll try to be less irony poisoned then. It might be hard for a lot of us because it's a coping mechanism, but if it isn't helping us connect meaningfully then it is unhelpful.
That's true, but if it gets in the way of people like you feeling welcome or, more generally, people actually connecting, it's not a very healthy coping mechanism. Ssying "I wanna die" or "I'm stupid and I suck" can also be coping mechanisms, but they aren't healthy and I stopped.doing them cause they didn't help me or make my friends happy. I can try to do the same here.
Can you share what you think we should try to do, or keep in mind to be more inclusive?
I'm glad you are understanding of it. this post is (vaguely) directed at me so I just wanna say sorry cause I didn't mean to make you feel unwelcome, I was just trying to state my thoughts. I apologize.
have a nice day. and vent how you like idc
glad we're straight. take it easy
there's no need to apologize to me haha
TBH, I've never felt like I belong anywhere in my whole life. So like, I'm sorry I can't give any answers, but I can hope that you hang in there.
