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  • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    A thought experiment:

    If two people decide to film themselves having sex and post it online, who's the rapist? Who's being raped?

      • drhead [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        People don’t post themselves having sex.

        Have you ever heard of exhibitionism? Yes, some people like to post videos of themselves. A lot even do it for free!

        It is an incredibly shameful act and is completely degrading,

        I think this speaks more about the sex negative attitudes that YOU have internalized.

          • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            Exhibitionism is a product of class society itself and the need for reassurance and knowledge. It is a symptom that is of capitalist society and should be treated as such, not to allow it.

            Tell me how homosexuality is bourgeois decadence next

            • jkfjfhkdfgdfb [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              i always do feel like this sort of thing is gonna go that way :agony-shivering:

            • Lilith [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              that's almost always a couple dog whistles away

            • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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              2 years ago

              Apparently the desire to be looked at in a sexual manner or watched doing sexual acts is unique to capitalism lmaooo. No one else does it apparently.

              :agony-shivering:

                • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  You made me google this and it's actually true that he visited nudist beaches, damn. Quite cool.

                  Everytime a guy posts a photo on insta showing their abs they're doing a mild capitalism now, if the underwear band is showing it becomes a medium capitalism, and if grey sweatpants are involved it becomes a mega capitalism.

                  New Volcel theory just dropped

            • RION [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              Comrades, is it counterrevolutionary to want other people to see your genitals? Idk sounds a little bougie to me

              • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                This is basic psychoanalysis.

                Thanks, Freud.

                Even if it does come from capitalism, so what? Fucking communism comes from capitalism. Or, less outrageously: movies and TV and the device you're using to post are all rooted in capitalism. Should we ban them in socialist societies?

                Edit: books cancelled for coming from feudalism

              • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                2 years ago

                One must never mistake psychoanalysis for psychology. D&G are useful for some things, but psychoanalysis is not reflective of reality.

                • Lilith [she/her]
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                  2 years ago

                  seriously... imagine being that fucking ignorant. it's like someone quoting alchemy grimoires when arguing about modern chemistry.

          • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            Exhibitionism is a product of class society itself and the need for reassurance and knowledge. It is a symptom that is of capitalist society and should be treated as such, not to allow it.

            I mean not really. For a much milder example here, people post thirst traps on social media showing off their bodies and junk though their underwear all the time, this happens everywhere, it's not just a thing in the west or whatever. Some people like to be seen sexually or doing sexual stuff, regardless of any capitalist society or lack thereof.

            I agree with some of what you're saying, I also strongly disagree with the rest of what you're saying. Some people just like to show off sexually towards others. And there's not anything wrong with that as long as it's all consensual. In fact a lot of people would probably enjoy it and do it more if it wasn't for unrealistic messed up beauty standards, societal taboo, etc.

            • DJMSilver [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Social media is a product of capitalist society. You don't recognize how what you post is a reflection of the current mode of production in where you live in where imperialism is predominant?

              • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                That is true, but some people will still have the desire to be viewed in a sexual manner or observed having sex without capitalism. It existed before capitalism. Some people enjoy showing off their body in varying ways, from a little sexual to extremely sexual, just because they like it. There is nothing inherent to the capitalist mode of production here.

                I agree with you on most internet porn though, people are addicted and watch way too much of that stuff. And have really weird libertarian style reactions towards anyone critical of it. Remember that user, who turned out was trying to solicit users though direct messages, throwing a massive temper tantrum when Pornhub removed unverified videos?

                  • Lilith [she/her]
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                    2 years ago

                    In a perfect capitalist world, there would be no patriarchy since women and men would be seen as equal.

                    the fuck

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            1 month ago

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          • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Exhibitionism is a product of class society itself and the need for reassurance and knowledge

            Sounds like pseudoscience to me.

            Try listening to prostitutes

            Okay. I have. I've heard a variety of beliefs regarding prostitution and "empowerment" from sex workers, because I actually spoke to them and didn't just watch a documentary and decide it was reflective of all sex workers. Turns out a lot of folks like making porn, as long as they aren't doing it in the awful conditions of the professional industry. Some folks even enjoy prostitution. Others don't particularly enjoy sex work, but prefer it to other forms of labor. Others do hate sex work and the violence they are regularly exposed to, although all of those individuals I've spoken to believed they would be significantly safer if prostitution were decriminalized.

          • Lilith [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            Exhibitionism is a product of class society itself and the need for reassurance and knowledge. It is a symptom that is of capitalist society and should be treated as such, not to allow it.

            quoting this to save for later because it is hilarious

      • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        People don’t post themselves having sex.

        People do this all the fucking time.

        you are able to reap the sexual enjoyment without feeling “guilty”. The truth is that you should.

        Why?

        • Venusta [any]
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          2 years ago

          it’s he/hims who are the swerfs every time

          • BerserkPoster [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            I think there is a context where china's choice to make porn illegal is at the very least understandable. I also am sympathetic to the fact that the porn industry is rife with massive exploitation and human trafficking. Including children.

            This guy above though is nuts. He has bad opinions about sex in general and doesn't understand that a consenting couple can post a video of themselves (even for money! Oh no!!)

            Ultimately I think its fairly obvious that most sex work is done as a result of material circumstances. Like all labor, this makes sex work a kind of slavery. In order to root out the issue of women having to resort to sex work to feed their families (absolutely not a shameful thing to do by the way) we must address the material circumstances of the population. We should not be punitive with people who are trying to support themselves. We should be extremely punitive with pimps though, who are just human traffickers. With legal porn industry, obviously it must be regulated strictly with the wellbeing of the sex worker in mind.

            After material conditions are addressed there will remain a subset of the population who still performs sex work, which would be just fine and good if they find that fulfilling. This is my opinion on sex work.

      • NuraShiny [any]
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        2 years ago

        HAHAHAHAHAHA

        Oh wow. Shut the fuck up troll.

      • Lilith [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        People don’t post themselves having sex.

        :I-was-saying:

        I call back to the Zizek quote where the worst slave owners were the ones you treated their slaves nicely, amateur porn is no exception since you are able to reap the sexual enjoyment without feeling “guilty”. The truth is that you should.

        :yikes-1::yikes-3:

        you should not compare onlyfans to the american slave trade