For instance, the Civ games are basically Whig History: The Game, presenting liberal capitalism as the ideal end point for all societies. It even includes uncivilized "barbarian tribes" whose sole purpose is to be exterminated so you can take their land for the glory of capitalism.

  • BatCountryMusicFan [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Oh I love KOTOR 2, it and the OG KOTOR are really the first Star Wars games to really dig into the philosophies behind the jedi and sith. But it still feels a little both-sidey in that way.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Dude, when the big-bad/Revan's dragon at the end of KOTOR is like "If the Jedi had kidnapped me would I have had a chance at redemption?" my teenage ass was shook. It was such a wham line, that this guy you'd been fighting for 30 hours of video game has this moment of self-awareness and self-reflection and is like "Shit I wish things could have gone differently", and that was so Star Wars and also so unexpected from a video game badguy.

    • Vncredleader
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      2 years ago

      Same. KOTOR 2 is probably my favorite SW game, but I hate the bothsidey shit in both games. I never like the "grey jedi" crap in star wars, mostly for that reason.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I despise the grey jedi shit. The whole point of the force is that there actually is a clear moral good and evil, and using power to hurt and oppress people for personal gain is both wrong, and self-annihilating. The whole purpose of Darth Vader is to show that if you use power to hurt people you'll inevitably turn in to a monster, and the only way to save yourself from that is to reject your power. Luke doesn't win by defeating Vader in combat, he wins by refusing to give in to his anger and rage, recognizing that if he did so he'd end up becoming a monster like his father. And when Vader see's him reject that path he has a moment of self reflection and decides to stop being Darth Vader.

        But it also doesn't pussy foot around with any liberal shit. George Lucas said it's righteous and just to blow up the American-British-Nazi empire and let little teddy bears eat them.