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Pretty gross. Comments every bit as awful as you're thinking. Just a reminder of the abysmal state of non-cishet rights and acceptance in Russia.

Edit: can't get my screenshot to load properly so text:

T1: Putin on accusations against Russia in the energy crisis: "European countries are big specialists in non-traditional relationships and themselves abandoned traditional energy sources in favor of non-traditional ones"

T2: ("non-traditional relationships" is the legal term in Russia for all things "LGBT")

  • spring_rabbit [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Fighting against imperialism is actually just imperialism, if your intentions aren't pure.

    • jabrd [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Supporting my anti-imperialist comrades in ISIS as they undermine American hegemony

      • spring_rabbit [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Undermining American hegemony by...destabilizing a region that America benefits from being unstable? Not really the same situation. Russia is actually doing real harm to our ability to maintain a global stranglehold. That is a good thing, even if Putin is otherwise a shitty reactionary capitalist.

        • jabrd [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          But that’s my point, he is a reactionary. A meteor isn’t anti-imperialist if it lands in the north atlantic. Anti-imperialism is a coherent political project that Putin isn’t taking part in. There might be overlapping goals/methods, but Putin’s political project is a just a competing imperial power. There’s no victory for the left in Russia’s victory as much as there absolutely is one in America’s defeat

          • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            You are forcing your conclusion with your chosen analogy. That meteor would be anti-imperialist IF it was forced into hitting the North Atlantic because the North Atlantic cornered it and was antagonizing it. Russia against the US isn’t random

            Anti-imperialism means you fight against the hegemonic empire. Period, that is it. Intention is not relevant

            • jabrd [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Marx failed to consider that the meteor is, in fact, anti-imperialist

              • crime [she/her, any]
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                2 years ago

                "...feudal system in which even the homeless vagabonds, the comets, have been apportioned their station in life and in which, for example, the shattered asteroids bear witness to occasional unpleasant scenes, while the meteors, those fallen angels, creep shamefaced through the “Infinite space”, until they find somewhere or other a modest lodging."

                from Vol II of The German Ideology

      • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        ISIS is American-backed imperialist force, and Russia crushed it

        Another point in our favor, not yours

        • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Weird way of saying that ISIS was primarily crushed by communalist Kurds and others aligned with them in Northern Syria while Russia dicked around and bombed the people actually fighting ISIS.

                  • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    Two heroes of the people against colonial fascism, who have done more for those resisting imperialism than anyone on this website or in American politics

                    Just take the word of DPRK, or PRC, or Cuba. DPRK has never been wrong on foreign policy and issues of imperialism before, and they all hold this stance

                    Why is it so hard just to get westerners to agree with foreign AES on issues of imperialism?

                      • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                        2 years ago

                        lol go fight for American proxies in Balkanized Syria and help loot oil and call yourself a libsoc, continue the grand western left tradition of always being wrong

                        Call me an Assadist, you know you wanna

                        • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                          2 years ago

                          Keep supporting the Islamic Republic and the eternal presidency of the Assad family. Such a supporter of the people and their revolution.

                          I'm not a libsoc, but I'm certainly a socialist. You seem to either be the world's most credulous socialist or a fascist.

                          • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                            2 years ago

                            Call me an Assadist. You yearn to. Take me back to 2016 before 99% of you lot realized you were wrong

                            • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                              2 years ago

                              There's no such thing as an Assadist. That would imply that the Assad family has any ideology beyond self-promotion and paranoia.

                                • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                                  2 years ago

                                  Killing isn't an ideology, it's an action. If Assad has any ideology at all, it is Alawi supremacist nationalism, but even that suggests far more belief in something than the man has ever demonstrated.

                                  Bashar Al Assad is a flailing failure of a dictator who has shattered what remained of the economy he accidentally inherited from his father when his loser brother was turned into soup-like homogenate in the Swiss Alps. His father betrayed everyone he ever worked with and regularly backed supporting reactionary regimes throughout the region. He kills people because it is the only way to retain power. Most of the people he kills are Syrians.

                                  Soleimani, at least, had an ideology. He was a member of the IRGC, the organization primarily responsible for the preservation of the Islamic State. A regime that ascended into power with the help of Marxists, then turned around and murdered them in the streets. The command of the IRGC is a profiteering elite permitted special monopolies over industrial interests. In short, it supports hyperexploitative capitalism mixed with reactionary bigotry. A great ideology for a "people's hero", I'm sure.

                                  • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                    2 years ago

                                    Anti-imperialism isn’t an ideology, it’s an action. That’s my point. The ones doing the actions are the ones you are attacking

                                    • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                                      2 years ago

                                      In the case of Syria, the phrase you're looking for is: "The ones bombing the people who actually fought ISIS are doing so for totally anti-imperialist reasons, because anti-imperialism is when you bomb the people who are doing real, beneficial things for people, because America and dogs or something."

                                      Hell, the fucking SDF is better at killing Turks than Assad is!

                                      • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                        2 years ago

                                        :PIGPOOPBALLS:

                                        Everything you wrote is wrong. It was wrong 6 years ago, but then at least ignorance was understandable. Imagine being like this in 2022

                                        • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                                          2 years ago

                                          Sorry to bring actual facts into things. I know you prefer it when reactionary leaders make up stories about how heroic they are while being bumbling fuckwits and anti-socialist monsters.

                                          • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                            2 years ago

                                            You are wrong on every count, you have no facts, and the Kurds are American imperialist proxies looting oil and food from starving Syrians. The CIA convinced you to support them lol you are that gullible. Next you will be supporting Hong Kongers

                                            • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                                              2 years ago

                                              The "Kurds" are a diverse group of people who aren't just Kurds in Northern Syria who have fought ISIS and Turkey while Bashar Al-Assad pisses himself and declares it genius.

                                              I don't give a fuck about Hong Kong one way or another. The advocates for independence are racist hypercapitalists. The CPC has absolutely shat the bed in managing the social problems created by Hong Kong's predatory capitalism, and that resulted in what it always results in: reactionary revolts.

                                              • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                                2 years ago

                                                Use context clues, we are obviously discussing the Syrian Kurds and their imperialistic opportunistic allegiance with the American military

                                                • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                                                  2 years ago

                                                  Well, I was pushing back on "the Kurds" as a description of the SDF, since it isn't particularly accurate.

                                                  And imperialism is when people surrounded by stronger enemies take whatever help they can get, huh? You'd fucking hate most revolutionary-period communist parties if you held them to that standard.

                                                  • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                                    2 years ago

                                                    Sounds like something a comprador would say

                                                    Why were fellow Syrians "enemies" while American fascist pig invader genociders were "whatever help they could get".

                                                    Why was this not inverted?

                                                      • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                                        2 years ago

                                                        Aiding imperialist invaders for your own personal advancement is the definition of being a comprador

                                                          • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                                            2 years ago

                                                            I don't see any socialism happening, just redistribution of looted imperial plunder among a small ethnic clique

                                                            what part of "dont be a proxy of the imperialist hegemon, ever, or don't whine about consequences if you do" is hard to understand?

                                                            • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                                                              2 years ago

                                                              That's because you know absolutely nothing about Rojava and you're still talking out of your ass while pretending that the coalition of people there, including a number of different ethnicities, is doing what the state you actually support does: loot the natural resources of Syria to advance a small ethnic clique to the detriment of all other Syrians. That's the Assad government you're describing.

                                                              • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                                                2 years ago

                                                                YPG/YPJ work with SDF to safeguard American convoys of YPG/YPJ controlled oil (that was not theirs at the start of the conflict) out into Iraq.

                                                                Do you agree or disagree that this is happening?

                                                                • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                                                                  2 years ago

                                                                  Unclear whether it is still happening, given the current conditions, but it certainly has happened in the past.

                                                                  Revolutionary socialists selling oil to fund their resistance to two reactionary regimes? Oh no! That's only good when Venezuela does it!

                                                                  Now who had the oil before, huh? What were they doing with it? Funding an insane hyper-salafist theocratic hell you say? Obviously it is worse that socialists have that oil!

                                                                  Perhaps you mean before ISIS? Exactly what you accused the YPG/YPJ of doing! Looting that oil to enrich a small ethnic minority!

                                                                  It sucks that the US are involved, but I support actual existing socialism, not incoherent "anti-imperialism" that has done nothing to harm the hegemon.

                                                                  • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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                                                                    2 years ago

                                                                    Were other "revolutionary socialists" propped up militarily by US army and airforce? Supplying them bases while they are invading a nation, balkanizing it?

                                                                    • KollontaiWasRight [she/her,they/them]
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                                                                      2 years ago

                                                                      I can think of one revolutionary socialist regime that was dependent on US military support to prop it up against a reactionary regime determined to crush it in order to advance the interests of a racial elite, yes. I imagine you could, too, if you thought about it for a moment.

                                                                      For all your accusations that the western left is too purist, you are the one being a purist when actual existing socialism exists and depends on whatever help it can get to protect itself from reactionary regimes that wish to smash it. Obviously, the US can't be trusted in that role, as it has already basically sold the YPG and SDF out to Turkey in order to get Finland and Sweden into NATO. You can certainly criticize the YPG for being foolish, but you are doing everything in your power to project the reality of the Assad regime onto the YPG, not criticizing it for foolishness.

                                                                      You're a very skilled liar. You pivot away from anything inconvenient to you and constantly stay on the attack without ever actually saying anything of worth. Everything you accuse the YPG/SDF/Rojava of is the essence of how Assad's government operates. You will continue not to address this reality, because you know it is true.

                        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                          2 years ago

                          One of the hosts of one of the podcasts people like on here did actually go to Syria to fight for the Kurds.

                          Though that was before US involvement I think

    • A_Serbian_Milf [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Here come the westoids to divine the intent of nations outside the core and judge them for their lack of purity

        • RedDawn [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah, it's a shitty capitalist oligarchy and Putin is awful and homophobic. That doesn't mean that when they do a thing which is anti-imperialist, you look at the action itself and say "oh actually this action is bad and imperialist because the country or person doing it is bad".

            • RedDawn [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Definitely, I'm 100% on board with that, obviously. Fuck Putin and the Russian government for being awful to our LGBT comrades.