I just found out about Nick Berg, the guy who got beheaded on video in iraq, and it's weird. He goes, gets detained by the military, he gets out and instead of getting on a plane he drives to Baghdad where is captured.
But it just so turns out he's friends with the 9/11 hijacker? Wtf guys
The problem is that "The CIA" is more than just the people working for it, it's a network of contacts, people with influence, people who can be bought off... Undoubtedly there was a more or less indirect line between higher ups in the CIA and AL Quaeda , and many people had knowledge that they would attack the US, but the extent to which this intel travelled upwards cannot be known. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter wether or not someone in Washington knew/allowed/ordered it. It's a distinction without a difference, because ben Laden couldn't have done it without American support and money for decades. The horror that blowed back on the US is only a fraction of what it unleashes daily on the third world. America deserved 9/11 and much worse :deserve-1: :deserve-2: :fuckin-deserve:
I don't think this is a bad question, but what do you gain from digging deep into this?
I would err on the side of "it was a total inside job", but the applications of that, if it's true, aren't really different than "the goverment was aware of 9/11 prior and allowed it to happen." They've openly admitted to that, it's something even your average lib is willing to get on board with, and if true, should result in the execution of the entire Bush administration and permanent surveillance of their parents/children. If the CIA did or didn't cause this, would it change what should happen to the organization?
We shouldn't investigate anything the national security state may have done since we already know its modus operandi, then? Let's just stop looking into Capitalist abuses since we already know that they're all abusive. Stop investigation of corrupt politicians since we already know they're all corrupt. No point looking into American war crimes since we already know they happen.
Yes, but you aren't going to be able to connect the dots in any meaningful way that could convince someone entirely. 9/11 was a stovepiped operation, from the Saudis, to the CIA, to the ISI, to Mossad, to OBL etc etc and the machinations behind it go back as far as the Reagan years. Bush v2 was basically a continuation of what Bush v1 couldn't entirely accomplish. Bush also tied up some loose ends so pops legacy could be cemented
If there's anything that really has the CIA's fingerprints all over it, it has to be the OKC bombing. A real domestic GLADIO incident that led to the curtailing of some important public liberties
Of course, the CIA invoked the national security exemption to the Freedom of Information Act to avoid disclosing information about Andreas Strassmeir and Roger Moore, both associates of Timothy McVeigh in the years before the OKC bombing
My main problem with 9/11 conspiracies is that they seem to all contradict each other after a certain point. You’ve got people saying the hijackers were trained by the government and some people saying the plane was actually a drone and didn’t have anyone on it.
Disinfo is a thing. For example, Judy Woods is considered a disinfo agent, she's the one that proposed that collapse of WTC 1 and 2 were a result of nukes, or something like that. There's definitive evidence that the US gov's official conspiracy theory (that's what it is by definition) can not be true. For example, NIST model of WTC 7 collapse omitted several factors for them to be able to show a collapse from office fires. There was an academic study from the University of Alaska Fairbanks that does a thorough review of it. https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.
For people that take the Chomsky view of: so what, how does that change anything (pretty sus response btw). It just means the US is more evil than you could possibly imagine.
Ahhhh I didn't realize that people were echoing Chomsky in that "so what would it change" response. Makes sense it's from his vein of intellectual cowardice.
what difference would it make? what changes about your actions in the world depending on the answer?
i never got the inside job thing, like why would they hit a major finance center and the literal hq of the US military arent there less important targets they could go for
There used to be theories about companies with locations inside the floors that the planes directly impacted iirc. I think one of them was Silverstream and that was the one that was scheduled to have a meeting that day with the CEO switching it to a video chat meeting a day before without alerting anyone else. Only one guy that was supposed to be there survived because he was late. From what I remember the section of the Pentagon that was hit was undergoing renovations and was not nearly as populated as it could have been.
I think that the guy who had purchased the buildings before 9/11 learned that renovating any part of the building was extremely expensive because new building codes required the complete removal of the spray on abstestos fire proofing of the interior walls which is an extremely arduous and dangerous task on its own. He got a very handsome insurance payout after the buildings collapsed.
This, coupled with Building 7 also somehow being demolished at the same time despite not even being hit by a plane, and people on the ground such as cops and fire fighters being told that Building 7 was going to be "brought down" despite only suffering fire damage, which has never caused a high rise to collapse before or after 9/11. This has basically convinced me that these properties were chosen on purpose, and they weren't just targets that the terrorists picked completely of their own volition.
Edit: I forgot to mention that NORAD was also rescheduled to start running a shitload of commercial airplane hijacking simulations the day it happened, and those simulations continued running for a while AFTER the hijackings occurred, thoroughly confusing the absolute shit out of people trying to organize interceptors, most of which didn't even have the fuel or ammo to respond because they've been running simulations all day
