I've been browsing through leftypol recently, and I've noticed a few threads talking about the lumpenproletariat, most recently in relation to Romani and Travellers.

Is the nomadic way of life inherently incompatible with socialism? I've seen someone on there saying that the only way to properly "integrate" (I have serious problems with that term, but I digress) these groups would be to have social services take their children into care to have them grow up as productive members of society. Many, but not all, of the other people there seemed to agree that the Roma/Traveller lifestyle wouldn't be able to exist under socialism as it does now, and that these groups aren't all that different from criminal street gangs, which obviously wouldn't be allowed to exist under socialism.

I really don't like the idea of separating children from their parents, and the idea of decreeing that a group of people without any real power aren't allowed to live according to their culture anymore seems deeply wrong.

What do you guys think about this?

Edit: Fair enough, I guess they were just being racist.

Edit 2: Okay, perhaps I should explain a bit more. The thread in question started off like this:

Most Europeans that I heard are in general pretty anti-racist ( most of them anyway ) but as soon as they hear about romani people they go full on hitler mode. Most of the hate they seem to get comes more from the hate towards poor people ( arguments like they steal, they dont have culture) and a lot of them happen to be poor. What would be the proper left wing social method so that they get less hate? If you guys turn the racist card on them too I will lose my hope

And started degenerating around the time someone posted this:

I've found their animus is primarily directed at the actual travelers rather than settled and integrated people of Roma descent. Yes, those people get caught up in the racism, but its a very particular kind of Roma and abstract image thereof that they hate. Realistically, development of their economic condition and assimilation of their culture is the only thing that could stop the prejudice. Problem is a lot of the migratory and dirt poor Roma have refused assistance on either front which only reinforces the view that its impossible to coexist with them.

I'll link the thread in the comments if you'd like, but I don't want to put it here because I don't want to encourage brigading.

  • Catherine_Steward [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I’ve seen someone on there saying that the only way to properly “integrate” (I have serious problems with that term, but I digress) these groups would be to have social services take their children into care to have them grow up as productive members of society

    lmao what fucking weirdo fascists

    we're so far past the point that we need to be worrying about people not being "productive members of society." Maybe back in the 1910s it was important to make sure everyone is contributing because they needed to industrialize in order to meet everyone's needs and avoid famines and stuff, but we're beyond that now. we produce way too much food, we just don't distribute it properly. we have way too many houses, we just don't house people in them. we have plenty of clothes, we just don't give them to those who need them.

    if you want to literally lie on your living room floor all day every day and that's what makes you happy, feel fucking free. we've advanced as a species beyond the need for everyone to be productive.