don’t punch me in the face and try to buy me off you fucking forced life freak.
What has been really fun this whole discussion is you just ignoring most of what I say so you can do your anti-natalist greatest hits collection. I agree with you that society's views on reproduction are messed up, I am against anyone being forced or pressured to have kids by government or family or any other institution. I don't think everyone needs to have kids or that their life is incomplete without it. I think if you want kids you should go for it, because existence is not as awful as you paint it. My fundamental philosophical underpinning(which i have restated twice and you have decided to never once even pretend to interact with) is that experiencing anything is worthwhile, and any life that does exist is meaningful in this way. You really really wanted to talk about happiness versus suffering, and even there did not engage with the point I made but the point you wanted me to make. Your arguments are still bad, because your obligations are relative to your society, and in our society you are obligated to try to make at least three kinds of people happy: your spouse, your friends, and your children. If we wanted to engage with my point, which was your measurement of a life, not a parent's obligations in it, you've not in any way shown suffering to be different than happiness. I'm not engaging past this, have a long and happy life.
I am against anyone being forced or pressured to have kids by government or family or any other institution.
it's not about that part of it, it's about that when somebody decides to have a kid they're forcing that person to live
experiencing anything is worthwhile,
fuuuuuuck you. tell that to people who have horrible things done to them. tell that to assault victims. tell that to people with horrible chronic pain. You disgusting piece of shit torture apologist.
I wonder what ideology comes from thinking "people with chronic pain should never have been born." I personally like to tell people who are struggling with immense pain "I'm happy you're still alive" but sure go ahead say they'd be better off dead. You are a bad person, and I would never allow you to speak to anyone who is suffering.
.” I personally like to tell people who are struggling with immense pain “I’m happy you’re still alive” but sure go ahead say they’d be better off dead.
I would rather not be suffering you insensitive clod.
why is it so hard for you dorks to understand not being born isn't the same as being alive and dying?
What has been really fun this whole discussion is you just ignoring most of what I say so you can do your anti-natalist greatest hits collection. I agree with you that society's views on reproduction are messed up, I am against anyone being forced or pressured to have kids by government or family or any other institution. I don't think everyone needs to have kids or that their life is incomplete without it. I think if you want kids you should go for it, because existence is not as awful as you paint it. My fundamental philosophical underpinning(which i have restated twice and you have decided to never once even pretend to interact with) is that experiencing anything is worthwhile, and any life that does exist is meaningful in this way. You really really wanted to talk about happiness versus suffering, and even there did not engage with the point I made but the point you wanted me to make. Your arguments are still bad, because your obligations are relative to your society, and in our society you are obligated to try to make at least three kinds of people happy: your spouse, your friends, and your children. If we wanted to engage with my point, which was your measurement of a life, not a parent's obligations in it, you've not in any way shown suffering to be different than happiness. I'm not engaging past this, have a long and happy life.
it's not about that part of it, it's about that when somebody decides to have a kid they're forcing that person to live
fuuuuuuck you. tell that to people who have horrible things done to them. tell that to assault victims. tell that to people with horrible chronic pain. You disgusting piece of shit torture apologist.
I wonder what ideology comes from thinking "people with chronic pain should never have been born." I personally like to tell people who are struggling with immense pain "I'm happy you're still alive" but sure go ahead say they'd be better off dead. You are a bad person, and I would never allow you to speak to anyone who is suffering.
I would rather not be suffering you insensitive clod.
why is it so hard for you dorks to understand not being born isn't the same as being alive and dying?