Like this guy Alex Ramos in the title. Just want to analyze this phenomena, it's so weird to me. My girlfriend is from cuba and thinks it's bizarre as well.
the leading edge of the alt-right is willing to accept racist Latinos as long as they're willing to adopt the ideology. it's a process of expanding the concept of whiteness to pad the fascist ranks.
whiteness is a political construct that is inconsistently defined on purpose. one decade you have spanish, italians, and jews being excluded from whiteness. the next decade they're folded into it. It doesn't make sense, you say? Never has. :astronaut-1:
Yeah, I'd think part of this is white nationalists (further) redefining whitness to broaden their appeal. The same thing happened with Irish and Italian immigrants before.
I think the discussion has been had before, but a big reason for it is that hispanics aren't really a monolithic group. In Latin America you see a lot of the same racial division that you see here, so you'll see lighter skinned hispanic people who align with white supremacists.
A lot of Latin American immigrants to the US have a right-wing slant. The more liberal or leftist ones that I know either move to a more stable country in the region or Europe. The ones who have dreams of big money and having power over others move to the US and Canada.
I've met more than a few very racist Hispanic men. The Puerto Ricans hate on the Spanish and the Spanish hate on the Puerto Ricans and they both hate on African Americans.
I think they're somehow compensating for the hate they experience by sucking up to White supremacy to make themselves feel more white and superior.
The Irish-descended in the Northeast USA are like that. It's also linked to proximity imho. Confined to similar cramped urban spaces and forced to compete and then one of them ends up on the White List and suddenly they can lord over the other minorities like its a chip on the shoulder.
My dear friend who is from Mexico has educated me on the kind of racism there and its similar to the kind you find up here. Add the Catholic cultural conservatism and especially machismo/misogynist cultural aspects and you're primed to be more aligned with the dominant trends of white supremacy than you are with the racial situation.
Also as others have pointed out: whiteness isn't real, it's a social construct that expands or contracts based on the situation necessary for the bourgeoisie to maintain control. Remember the Night of the Long Knives. They'll bring you into the fold until it is politically expedient to exclude you.
Because many countries in Latin America are very socially conservative? And intersectionality is dying
The first part is absolutely correct. Not sure if I agree with the second half though. I consider myself an intersectional leftist, not really into the class only view of leftism myself.
I mean I also consider myself an intersectionalist. But it only really works because conservative ideology is too damn stupid to stop being racist/sexist/homophobic for five seconds. If conservatives genuinely dropped the social bigotry towards certain groups while still discriminating against others, a ton of people would flake, as the shared experience of being oppressed goes away.
They'd lose their best leverage for maintaining the libertarian hellstate they've constructed: huge numbers of racist white people will oppose good governance if it also helps minorities. They can't drop their white supremacy because it is and has always been one of the pillars that allows capitalism to operate.
Not to mention how important it is for imperialism.
Doesn't a dialectical material approach achieve intersectionality, if done honestly? I mean I agree its best to be explicit but I guess a lot of self proclaimed leftists don't actually read theory.
It should, Marx and Engels correctly identified patriarchy's intersection with capitalism
Biden made no effort with latinos, Obama deported more people than Bush, Biden is still building the wall, etc
idk how much of that stuff anybody in particular actually cares about but with a center that doesn't care about you, a left that was murdered by the government, and some ideological overlap with reactionary catholicism that sure sounds like conditions that end up with people deciding that joining the fascists could benefit them somehow.
A lot of immigrants from Latin America are well-off or relatively middle class in their country of origin and they "escaped" or sought to avoid Communism. They are propagandized into accepting American capitalism and individualism. If they are white, they also enter in a pact with White privilege/White Supremacy - meaning that they do not feel as alienated or downwardly mobile as Afro-Latinos and central american immigrants. IT is also a material fact that American society is highly propagandized into not accepting socialist or communist ideas, and their first contact with progressive ideas might be/is the concept of Latinx (the amount of Latino people I've ran into that find this offputting is significant) as well as the propagandization of why their own countries suck (it's not neocolonialism, it's crooked socialist politicians, etc.)
New Yorkers of Latin descent refer to themselves as "Spanish." It confused tf out of me when I was there and I kept telling people I'm not from Spain lol
At one point in time basically every minority person had no choice but to be a Democrat, but after a generation of the Democrats doing absolutely nothing of substance more and more are being peeled off to the right by culture war issues.
It's not that bizarre. It's like if you have ever gone to a private college with a black guy who identifies as conservative, you find that that conservative nature comes from a deep seething hatred of 'cool' youth/gang culture (and usually women) and misidentifying that culture as representing the entirety of the POC cultural experience. And then they view anything outside of that as 'white' regardless of weather white people see it as white or not. Lotta Indian-Americans do this, too. Basically, 4chan incel culture but for POC.
I actually am a drop out from public college and I work as a mason, so I have no idea about the private college example. I do know there are a lot of self-hating indian and east asian dudes on incel forums though.
Hey I get it, I graduated and I still work in manufacturing. I'm just pulling from my own weird life.
Sure, but my girlfriend in particular is a pretty ardent leftist and was agreeing with me that it's strange.
