What makes the whole saga so blatantly cynical is that even Warren's side of the story sounds like she flat out asked "would sexism be an issue for a presidential campaign" and Bernie repeated the common wisdom that it would be.
That was what it was, but Warren was apparently telling aids it was something more vitriolic and then tried to turn it into a hot mic campaign killer. Felt super bad for Bernie watching that shit go down.
Moderator: [paraphrasing]Bernie did you say a woman can't be president?
Bernie: "As a matter of fact, I didn't say it. [...] Anybody that knows me knows it's incomprehensible that I would think a woman can not be president." etc etc he goes into his usual spiel about beating trump with platform and ignoring the media scandals.
Moderator: [So you're saying that you never told Senator Warren that a woman could not win the election?
Bernie: That is correct.
Moderator: Senator Warren, what did you think when Bernie Sanders told you that a woman could not win the election?
I'm trying to find the article that laid out exactly what he said, it was in a book later.
edit:I give up. I even checked Warren's book. It's out there somewhere.
I think this maneuver could have totally sunk Bernie if a woman had beat Trump, but alas
That's the part that always angered me to no end. I take Bernie at his word that he didn't say it, but even IF he had it should be fucking obvious to **anyone ** doing an honest good faith reading that the sentiment he was expressing was:
"Fucking shit...maybe America is just that Misogynistic that they'd pick Trump over any female candidate..."
If you genuinely think that feeling or expressing that sentiment in the sour mood of post 2016 election season makes you a misogynist you obviously haven't got a couple of drinks with a bunch of raging feminists trying to find solace in hellworld.
Yup, maybe if she'd quoted him he'd have been like "yes I said that, is there something wrong with it?" but since she, at best, put a huge spin on it... its not even wrong to say "wtf are you talking about" lol
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this was the moment when she stated during a debate that Bernie told her 'a woman can't win against Trump'
I think this maneuver could have totally sunk Bernie if a woman had beat Trump, but alas
Was it even that? I thought he had privately said to Warren that Trump would attack her on the grounds that she's a woman.
What makes the whole saga so blatantly cynical is that even Warren's side of the story sounds like she flat out asked "would sexism be an issue for a presidential campaign" and Bernie repeated the common wisdom that it would be.
That was what it was, but Warren was apparently telling aids it was something more vitriolic and then tried to turn it into a hot mic campaign killer. Felt super bad for Bernie watching that shit go down.
Yeah it is rare that I feel empathy for a politician on a personal level, but that betrayal had to hurt.
Video from the debate
I'm trying to find the article that laid out exactly what he said, it was in a book later. edit:I give up. I even checked Warren's book. It's out there somewhere.
Yeah, OK, good :bern-disgust:
That's the part that always angered me to no end. I take Bernie at his word that he didn't say it, but even IF he had it should be fucking obvious to **anyone ** doing an honest good faith reading that the sentiment he was expressing was:
"Fucking shit...maybe America is just that Misogynistic that they'd pick Trump over any female candidate..."
If you genuinely think that feeling or expressing that sentiment in the sour mood of post 2016 election season makes you a misogynist you obviously haven't got a couple of drinks with a bunch of raging feminists trying to find solace in hellworld.
this is what i always thought as well, and tbh I actually do think he said it, maybe, but yeah I straight up dont see how the sentiment is bad at all.
Low key...I actually do as well. I also fully support his decision to deny it outright and not get caught in a cynical trap.
Yup, maybe if she'd quoted him he'd have been like "yes I said that, is there something wrong with it?" but since she, at best, put a huge spin on it... its not even wrong to say "wtf are you talking about" lol
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