Reminder this is a leftist unity site, but, if you’re the one urionic I support Duterte / Marcos Jr over the NPA guy, show yourself so you can be publicly shamed
Reminder this is a leftist unity site, but, if you’re the one urionic I support Duterte / Marcos Jr over the NPA guy, show yourself so you can be publicly shamed
Some ppl will lash out at them bc the NPA threatens their opinion of China always being on the right side of things, but tbf I’ve never seen it here just in sectarian spaces like GZD lemmygrad
Duterte's supposed "pro-China" aesthetics masks the fact the he has never changed/repealed the country's current treaties with the US. He's all talk.
His release of Joseph Scott Pemberton, the killer of Jenifer Laude, a trans woman, to be taken cared of by the US Marine Corps is very telling of the US-PH relationship, letting Pemberton get away scot-free.
No person should ever defend Duterte. No remotely leftist person in the country likes Duterte.
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I generally stan China but IMO they definitely have some of their comrades' blood on their hands. Making nice with the US certainly helped them be the strong nation they are today, but it wasn't like friendship came without a cost. Literally a deal with the devil.
Vietnam for example. The Vietnamese had to fight brutal wars against imperialists for what 20-30 years? It took them everything they had to defeat the US. They had absolutely nothing left in the tank by the late 70s. And what did the Chinese do in the late 70s? Help their comrades build the initial stages of socialism? Nope! They fought a border war with them that the Vietnamese wanted no part of but had to get dragged into it. Hard to believe that didn't come at the behest of the USA. I believe that was the straw that broke the camel's back that was Vietnam's economy. And since then they've had to take a much more free-market based approach than China because they've literally had no other choice.
This is all what I hear from podcasts and audio books so I may have some facts wrong but I think the gist is right. I don't blame the current CPC for this but they really could do more to help Vietnam, ngl
It's just geopolitics in the end. At the end of the day, polities will still compete for resources and will make morally dubious and ideologically inconsistent alliances for the sake of advancing geopolitical interests. China, Russia, and Iran have absolutely nothing in common outside of some extremely tenuous link of being once ruled by Mongols more than 600 years ago, but they all have a vested interests in sticking together for the sake of opposing the US. Socialism by itself isn't going to somehow make geopolitical rivalry go away or dissolve century-old beefs in the same way transphobia or racism wouldn't instantaneously go away under socialism.
Socialists need to stop viewing everything through an ideological lens. The Sino-Soviet split isn't my team anti-revisionist the other team revisionist. It was honestly mostly geopolitical. At one point, Khrushchev threatened to nuke China, so obvious Mao et al had to do something. This has nothing to do with revisionism or some ideological difference. China just didn't want to get nuked. Did the border clashes between the SU and the PRC happened because of one communist party not understanding Marxism-Leninism well enough or did it happen because of border disagreements the Tsarist Empire and the Qing Dynasty had and which carried over to their successive polities?
In their article about the recent Taiwan visit by Pelosi, the CPP somehow shoehorned in a paragraph about how China doesn't respect the Philippines' maritime territory. Whether this has merit or not, what does this have to do with Taiwan? To me, it just reinforces my point that the beef the CPP has with China isn't actually ideological and more has to do with them believing that China does not respect the Philippines' sovereignty. It wouldn't matter if China is revisionist or state capitalist or feudal or even socialist.
This also tells me that the CPP is probably not going to capture state power anytime soon because they have the luxury of not having to play the geopolitical game. They might shit on the CPC now, but as soon as CPP capture state power by overthrowing some US puppet of a president and have to play the geopolitical game like everyone else, they're going to pivot towards the social-imperialist power for the sake of opposing the imperialist-imperialist power because that's the smart geopolitical move to do.
This is a great point. I've always wanted to do some deep investigation into the material causes of the Sino-Soviet split. Ideology can play a part but I would think in the end it's really just material interests competing.
Honestly I am sure the NPA would not consider their blood to be the blood of China's comrades given the situation. Per Joma Sison
https://cpp.ph/2021/06/07/china-wagers-on-duterte/
Here is their statement on ordering the NPA to target Chinese companies in the Philippines, yes they sent the statement to RFA originally, but that's honestly not surprising. The left wing of the party (often called Stalinists) in Romania who wrote the Letter of the Six used Radio Free Europe to distribute it. Which got some understandable pushback, but you get why they used them. According to very much pro-Stalin Apostol, others who wrote it hated using imperialist means to communicate, but it seems they wanted to be clear this was an internal party thing and not necessarily agents of the USSR.
I don't necessarily agree with the framing 100%, and there is plenty of understandable rhetoric involved as any political statement, but the concerns are interesting to dive into. Here is Marco Valbuena's annotations on Xi's speech on the centennial of the CPC. Plenty of silly hangups, but interesting nonetheless. Above all I get why they want no fucking involvement with foreign industry coming into the Philippines, and no ceding of sovereignty over the waters even if the international law on those zones is biased against China. For them it is a matter of fishing communities being screwed over by major companies and a fear of military encroachment which will put them in the crossfire
https://cpp.ph/statements/critical-annotations-of-xi-jinpings-speech-at-a-ceremony-marking-the-centenary-of-the-communist-party-of-china-on-july-1-2021/
Or the maoist student group getting jailed in like 2018 under :xi-beard:
Which fascist movements did they fund? Only one that sorta comes to mind is the Mujahideen but even then I don’t think China gave them material support.
While not full blown support, they sided with Somalia during the Ogden war for one. In Angola they pulled support from the FNLA and gave it to UNITA
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They mostly did the opposite of that and supported anti-colonial independence movements in Africa including in the Rhodesian bush war. This statement kind of erases that fact and makes it sound like this (supporting the wrong side in Africa) was the norm when the opposite is true.
Yeah I don't think I've seen it here.
I think most hexbears recognize that following the "rules based international order" produces some bad/contradictory decisions in China's foreign policy.
Even under Mao, China's foreign policy was problematic, but for different reasons
I've had that happen here to me. Respectfully and we sorted it out iirc, but yeah people really do not like that there are contradictions in Dengism. People deny the NPA being MLM even, thing is there are always contradictions, and if those of us who are anti-revisionist MLs have to make sense of all of Stalin's actions and the contradictions we face, yall can deal with some shit.
also I was trying to find old comments about the CPP and found that in our search function pretty much any mention of Joma or the NPA going back more than a few months is missing entirely, and when google searched they are clearly still there but you get an error. Did someone delete all of them for some reason?
Iirc Hexbear is archiving old posts so that our bodged together servers don't catch fire or something.
oh good that makes sense. can we access the archive? I was worried for a sec that we had been having shit removed given the CPP is on the US terror watchlist
No, but it's intended to be a temporary solution.
to make the site run better history back more than a few months is turned off temporarily
thx
It’s the biggest disappointment of modern China to me. In Mao’s time China actually did actually at least attempt to export revolution and was instrumental in some revolutionary activity throughout the global south. Part of that was being in competition with the Soviet Union for the mantle of “leader of global communism” and now I suppose they have no incentive in that regard, plus they’ve committed for now to building up material conditions within their own country which involves a strict “hey we don’t interfere in the politics of other countries, we just do business with everybody” policy to avoid boat rocking and reprisal from the west… but there has to come a day when they take a more active role in liberation movements of other countries because the west is going to attack them no matter what they do.