No criticizing me until you do all the things I do, starting with taking really good naps.
Anyways I can't even cite The Grayzone at anyone anymore because they went full clown mode. There's a turd in the punchbowl and you are hassling comrades that don't want to drink from it. "It's good punch!", you say, citing how good it was before the turd was in it. "Don't criticize the turd punch until you make a fresh batch yourself!", clearly defensive about the idea that Max Blumenthal et al, precious uncriticizable saviors of anti-imperialism, get dismissed because they keep shitting in the punch.
I’m going to stick with using anti-imperialist journalistic outlets for their material intended purpose, learning more about the world and using that knowledge to try and help those who are exploited and colonized. You can do whatever game it is you are doing, it’s not my fault if you have buckled to liberal bourgeois sensibilities and optics about what can be accepted off of one disagreement
Are you not saying, "how dare you critize The Grayzone, look at what they did [years ago]! You can't knock them until you create your own anti-imperialist journalism outfit! They've made better punch than you ever will!" Because you've been saying versions of that at like 4-5 different people, usually to avoid actually addressing what the person is saying to you.
I’m going to stick with using anti-imperialist journalistic outlets for their material intended purpose, learning more about the world and using that knowledge to try and help those who are exploited and colonized. You can do whatever game it is you are doing, it’s not my fault if you have buckled to liberal bourgeois sensibilities and optics about what can be accepted off of one disagreement
Right, you seem to be personally identifying with The Grayzone and its authors to the extent that you engage in repeated bad faith engagements with comrades that criticize their reactionary turn. Nobody is telling you what you can read lol what is this
What they still do. They still publish anti-imperialist articles. Go there now, their front page are news stories on Nicaragua, Ukraine, Syria published recently, scoops that are often based in reporting on the ground.
Knives are out right now and you all need to fucking chill. Why is right now the time you decide to cannibalize
What they still do. They still publish anti-imperialist articles.
The examples you've been throwing at comrades are all from years ago. You've been citing one author's work from years ago, an author I haven't even mentioned lol. I am describing the things you are doing and you're trying to pretend I'm making things up. Now is the part where someone trying to be accurate would say, "oh you're right I did say stuff like that [addresses the point made]". Alas.
Knives are out right now and you all need to fucking chill. Why is right now the time you decide to cannibalize
The Grayzone shot itself on the foot over a year ago lol. We've been talking about it, here, for over a year, were wondering when people might start bailing on it. Norton started Multipolarista because he saw the writing on the wall, that was in January.
You are personally surprised and upset, but none of this is new and you're not defending any alliance, though you will actually eventually do the opposite and alienate the people targeted by the reactionary tendencies surfacing at The Grayzone. This is what always happens when folks try to "save" a few chucklefucks who turn reactionary, as if you can only have shared struggles or X, where in this case X is an anti-imperialist journalism outfit. No, fuck that, go read more widely, that's not the choice we have to make. It's also self-defeating because again, nobody is going to respect their publication anymore outside of the patsocs or confused baby leftists. There is no light at the end of that tunnel, it's poison.
Is this section of the site natoids or what?
Sorry I don't talk to people that aren't currently writing investigative reports into false Xinjiang narratives.
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No criticizing me until you do all the things I do, starting with taking really good naps.
Anyways I can't even cite The Grayzone at anyone anymore because they went full clown mode. There's a turd in the punchbowl and you are hassling comrades that don't want to drink from it. "It's good punch!", you say, citing how good it was before the turd was in it. "Don't criticize the turd punch until you make a fresh batch yourself!", clearly defensive about the idea that Max Blumenthal et al, precious uncriticizable saviors of anti-imperialism, get dismissed because they keep shitting in the punch.
If I make up a metaphor it’s real.
I’m going to stick with using anti-imperialist journalistic outlets for their material intended purpose, learning more about the world and using that knowledge to try and help those who are exploited and colonized. You can do whatever game it is you are doing, it’s not my fault if you have buckled to liberal bourgeois sensibilities and optics about what can be accepted off of one disagreement
Are you not saying, "how dare you critize The Grayzone, look at what they did [years ago]! You can't knock them until you create your own anti-imperialist journalism outfit! They've made better punch than you ever will!" Because you've been saying versions of that at like 4-5 different people, usually to avoid actually addressing what the person is saying to you.
Right, you seem to be personally identifying with The Grayzone and its authors to the extent that you engage in repeated bad faith engagements with comrades that criticize their reactionary turn. Nobody is telling you what you can read lol what is this
What they still do. They still publish anti-imperialist articles. Go there now, their front page are news stories on Nicaragua, Ukraine, Syria published recently, scoops that are often based in reporting on the ground.
Knives are out right now and you all need to fucking chill. Why is right now the time you decide to cannibalize
The examples you've been throwing at comrades are all from years ago. You've been citing one author's work from years ago, an author I haven't even mentioned lol. I am describing the things you are doing and you're trying to pretend I'm making things up. Now is the part where someone trying to be accurate would say, "oh you're right I did say stuff like that [addresses the point made]". Alas.
The Grayzone shot itself on the foot over a year ago lol. We've been talking about it, here, for over a year, were wondering when people might start bailing on it. Norton started Multipolarista because he saw the writing on the wall, that was in January.
You are personally surprised and upset, but none of this is new and you're not defending any alliance, though you will actually eventually do the opposite and alienate the people targeted by the reactionary tendencies surfacing at The Grayzone. This is what always happens when folks try to "save" a few chucklefucks who turn reactionary, as if you can only have shared struggles or X, where in this case X is an anti-imperialist journalism outfit. No, fuck that, go read more widely, that's not the choice we have to make. It's also self-defeating because again, nobody is going to respect their publication anymore outside of the patsocs or confused baby leftists. There is no light at the end of that tunnel, it's poison.
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