Nobody talking about Kim Jong Un using a level 1 fire spell to light his ciggy
Imagine looking at the first photo and thinking " ah yes the problem here is women enjoying themselves" not that a large portion of men in this society are deranged misogynists who care way too much about what women do with their free time to the point that its front page news
I'm not :england-cool: but I spell it grey because it just seems greyer than gray...y'know?
I think he is kinda annoying, but I respect Ben Norton for getting the fuck out of there
Choose you path, western civ
:hillary-contempt: :lenin-heisenberg:
this is literally misogyny
Choose your path, western civ
:warren-snake: :antler-bernie:
this is literally misogyny
Choose your path, western civ
:margaret-thatcher: :ira:
This is literally misogyny
Can we cut the shit and all agree everyone here has been brought low into debating (tm)? At least I’m making some good points
this is fucking amazing content to wake up to. didn’t they just get unbanned after doing this same thing lol
I was arguing with a 1-hour old troll that was telling people to kill themselves and was completely in the right and eventually vindicated, the error was undone. Maybe it was a misclick, or maybe that particular mod was that same 1-hour alt troll. Who knows?
oh my god lmfao
to call proven anti-imperialist journalists Nazis
why do you keep trying to insist everyone who dislikes the greyzone thinks they’re nazis lol
I see a whole lot more anger in this thread directed at me saying they aren’t Nazis than the comments calling them Nazbols and Reactionaries. Don’t play dumb
no no I think the greyzone is a failing outlet with a once impressive past that is suffering brain drain because its founder became a conspiracy theorist
No reflection at all that the principle attack by Liberals against the Grayzone for the past decade has been that they are “conspiracy theorists”
Just admit bellingcat is your new best friend, that’s who you are joining this chorus with.
If you had a video of some red-faced Finnish career politician embarrassing themselves while blackout drunk at a gala or whatever the reaction would be much different for some reason
Yep. Its always sad seeing people find out what's happened to them :doomer:
No, they are just being smeared yet again and some of you will fall for it
smearing is when you voluntarily post cringe and people cringe at it
oh my god I’m always being smeared, I might as well be a bagel at a new york deli!!
Going down with the ship after an outlet burns its credibility and does reactionary shit over and over and over and over again is very :lib:.
And then going to the mat with comrades in defense of it, lol.
I’ll see you when the Grayzone does another article debunking some imperialist lie in Ukraine, Serbia, Moldova, Syria or Iraq where they are doing work while you sit on your ass breaking up anti-imperialist networks with pointless infighting
Sorry I don't talk to people that aren't currently writing investigative reports into false Xinjiang narratives.
No criticizing me until you do all the things I do, starting with taking really good naps.
Anyways I can't even cite The Grayzone at anyone anymore because they went full clown mode. There's a turd in the punchbowl and you are hassling comrades that don't want to drink from it. "It's good punch!", you say, citing how good it was before the turd was in it. "Don't criticize the turd punch until you make a fresh batch yourself!", clearly defensive about the idea that Max Blumenthal et al, precious uncriticizable saviors of anti-imperialism, get dismissed because they keep shitting in the punch.
If I make up a metaphor it’s real.
I’m going to stick with using anti-imperialist journalistic outlets for their material intended purpose, learning more about the world and using that knowledge to try and help those who are exploited and colonized. You can do whatever game it is you are doing, it’s not my fault if you have buckled to liberal bourgeois sensibilities and optics about what can be accepted off of one disagreement
If I make up a metaphor it’s real.
Are you not saying, "how dare you critize The Grayzone, look at what they did [years ago]! You can't knock them until you create your own anti-imperialist journalism outfit! They've made better punch than you ever will!" Because you've been saying versions of that at like 4-5 different people, usually to avoid actually addressing what the person is saying to you.
I’m going to stick with using anti-imperialist journalistic outlets for their material intended purpose, learning more about the world and using that knowledge to try and help those who are exploited and colonized. You can do whatever game it is you are doing, it’s not my fault if you have buckled to liberal bourgeois sensibilities and optics about what can be accepted off of one disagreement
Right, you seem to be personally identifying with The Grayzone and its authors to the extent that you engage in repeated bad faith engagements with comrades that criticize their reactionary turn. Nobody is telling you what you can read lol what is this
What they still do. They still publish anti-imperialist articles. Go there now, their front page are news stories on Nicaragua, Ukraine, Syria published recently, scoops that are often based in reporting on the ground.
Knives are out right now and you all need to fucking chill. Why is right now the time you decide to cannibalize
What they still do. They still publish anti-imperialist articles.
The examples you've been throwing at comrades are all from years ago. You've been citing one author's work from years ago, an author I haven't even mentioned lol. I am describing the things you are doing and you're trying to pretend I'm making things up. Now is the part where someone trying to be accurate would say, "oh you're right I did say stuff like that [addresses the point made]". Alas.
Knives are out right now and you all need to fucking chill. Why is right now the time you decide to cannibalize
The Grayzone shot itself on the foot over a year ago lol. We've been talking about it, here, for over a year, were wondering when people might start bailing on it. Norton started Multipolarista because he saw the writing on the wall, that was in January.
You are personally surprised and upset, but none of this is new and you're not defending any alliance, though you will actually eventually do the opposite and alienate the people targeted by the reactionary tendencies surfacing at The Grayzone. This is what always happens when folks try to "save" a few chucklefucks who turn reactionary, as if you can only have shared struggles or X, where in this case X is an anti-imperialist journalism outfit. No, fuck that, go read more widely, that's not the choice we have to make. It's also self-defeating because again, nobody is going to respect their publication anymore outside of the patsocs or confused baby leftists. There is no light at the end of that tunnel, it's poison.
Why is Aaron Mate not a comrade? Why is it ok to “imply” he is a nazbol?
Did you confuse me with someone else or are you just channeling :expert-shapiro: with pseudo-gotchas?
Aaron Mate works at the grayzone and reports for them. If they are reactionary and sexist and nazbol and a turd as you say, that would imply he is too. You all seem to be high in the mood for destroying and wrecking based on implications of reaction and all that, so have at it. Eat Aaron alive. The one who did more than the combined usership of this site to fight imperialism. We are just jumping person to person, associating them with being “Nazbols”. Get the pitchfork out folks
Aaron Mate works at the grayzone and reports for them.
Yeah duh
If they are reactionary and sexist and nazbol and a turd as you say
Sorry, no dice lib. I didn't say half that stuff and "turd in the punchbowl" is a common idiom, not just name-calling someone a poopy.
You all seem to be high in the mood for destroying and wrecking based on implications of reaction and all that, so have at it. Eat Aaron alive. The one who did more than the combined usership of this site to fight imperialism. We are just jumping person to person, associating them with being “Nazbols”. Get the pitchfork out folks
You seem to be having trouble distinguishing people who criticize The Grayzone after its big, embarrassing descent into reactionary shit. You think I said things that others did, we're all the same, blah blah blah. This is baby thinking.
People in this thread have leveled all the accusations I have stated at the grayzone, verbatim. “Reactionary” and “Nazbol” and “Sexist” and “Misogynistic” were all used explicitly, I can link to the comments.
These are all hyperbolic wrecking sectarian statements that I am condemning to maintain a coalition of anti-imperialism broadly. You are the ones being antagonistic here. How hard is it to simply not character assassinate every ally we have?
People in this thread
Am I people or a person? You're having trouble telling the difference. I will help you. I am one person.
These are all hyperbolic wrecking sectarian statements
lol Blumenthal alone has been going anti-vaxx, anti-lockdown, writing transphobic shit while aligning with Caleb Maupin.
Several others have been doing similar things while some cooler folks bailed because they know the outfit is going in a clown direction.
"Hyperbolic"
"Wrecking"
"Sectarian"
that I am condemning to maintain a coalition of anti-imperialism broadly.
Coalition? Excuse me, this is a
Wendy'ssmall anonymous commie social media website and you're not maintaining shit by knee-jerk defending reactionary tendencies in bad faith on the most unambiguously trans-inclusive leftist space on the internet.You are the ones being antagonistic here.
I'm making fun of you for the belligerent shit you're saying at comrades here.
How hard is it to simply not character assassinate every ally we have?
lol they did it to themselves already. The turd is in the punchbowl. You can't share this shit with anyone, all they have to do is read what these losers write and say there and elsewhere and you can be easily dismissed by libs and commies alike, as they've destroyed their credibility. I'm sorry your favorite (only, maybe?) source of anti-imperialist journalism is made up of reactionaries now but you've gotta learn how to cope.
A consistent pattern of deflection and bad faith.
You can't build a transphobic coalition here.
This thread is off the rail. Like Grayzone kind of shite now with Max going wonker and go into grifter circle with the like of Dore and Hinkle, but Aaron Mate still doing a great job at exposing imperialist regime for Syria issues. I think it’s better for him to also bail like Ben.
Counterpoint: Mate should stay if he wants to and people in this thread should pull the stick out of their ass and stop accusing principled comrades and anti-imperialists of being Nazis based on nothing
Counterpoint: Mate should really stay away from a dude that spout right wing conspiracy theory. Because you know, the msm and liberal will discredit his work if he associate with an dude whom promote right wing conspiracy shite. Just like Maupin whom got oust as a sex pest today, the dude also talk about anti imperialist. Now, not looking so good for peoples that promote him
Oh they were thinking he was so legitimate before.
You know what would make Grayzone more legit to the western press, which is something they should truly be concerned about? Infighting and wild accusations of Nazism
What does Maupin have to do with Grayzone? This is exactly what I mean, guilt by association character assassination implication bullshit. Suddenly Grayzone is nazbol? How about fuck off!
What does Maupin have to do with Grayzone?
He is a regular guest on their podcast.
Edit: I don’t feel like getting banned over this, just please stop attacking the few good media outlets we have because they have missed once or twice
Lol, literally saw him in there three times since i watch it but you are free to not believe me :)
Edit: I don’t feel like getting banned over this, just please stop attacking the few good media outlets we have because they have missed once or twice
Sure let me watch it all again in order to win an internet argument, i have the time to do that.
Edit: I don’t feel like getting banned over this, just please stop attacking the few good media outlets we have because they have missed once or twice
Just like Maupin whom got oust as a sex pest today
:shocked-pikachu:
Look, no amount of partying and alleged drugs will make a European PM cool.
GreyZone articles posted outside of the dunk tank should be removed for giving clicks to a reactionary website.
Their nonstop anti-lockdown COVID denial/misinformation shilling is part of the reason the new normal is hundreds of people dying every day from preventable causes. They are enemies to any at risk/marginalized groups. They've been like this for YEARS now.
I know a lot of leftists have stopped caring about COVID, but I think its wrong to condemn marginalized groups to death or further disability by long covid.
You don't care that they actively endanger/contribute to the death of immunocompromised comrades because they said America bad?
Jesus Christ you people are insufferable purity goblins. Grayzone has no control over Covid policies. They have actually debunked imperialist lies and had major stories. Cling to reality, release yourself from the purity idealist plane of existence
Covid policies are that its left up the people on whether they want to take social distancing/masking/quarantining seriously or not. GrayZone has done its best to try and make leftist communities not take the disease seriously which in no uncertain terms has led to unnecessary spread of disease and death.
GrayZone's glory days are far behind them. Stop clinging to the past, they're reactionary now and should not be supported.
Ok liberal
If it wasn’t for Aaron Mate’s Grayzone’s work on shifting the Syrian narrative and debunking the gassing lies you would still be calling me an “Assadist”
But apparently if they have one position you don’t agree with (they never attacked lockdowns as a whole or China’s policies, they attacked western implementation of lockdowns which were indeed ass) then it’s off to the gulag for the only western leftist media outlet actually doing groundbreaking work
I googled “GrayZone lockdown” and immediately got this extremely :brainworms: article.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/31/left-covid-lockdowns-mind-autopsy/
First paragraph alone calls leftists who wanted the wests COVID policies to be similar to China’s ableist slurs
I’m sure I can find even more reactionary garbage from them if I put in more than effort than just clicking the first result on google.
Huh. I googled “Grayzone Assad Gas” and got a groundbreaking original story that Aaron Mate broke that completely unraveled the million dollar PR campaign being run by the US to justify the destruction of Syria
There is no liberation without the liberation of marginzalized groups such as neurodivergent/immunocompromised comrades. Ableism will never be okay with real leftists and should not be excused for any reason.
What about the Syrian people being massacred by US backed jihadists? What about them? Are they marginalized?
You realize your precious Finnish PM was breaching Covid protocols at her parties? Why isn’t she a “nazbol” for backing Azov Nazis and disregarding Covid rules?
Notice how your attacks cut one way… I understand your frustration about the failure of Covid policy in the west but you don’t need to take this out on your nearest comrade. It was not Grayzone that caused any of that shit, it was libshit PMs like this woman! It was capital, not the one outlet fighting their monopolistic violent arm of imperialism! Please step back and take account for the damage you are doing here
You don't fight capital by agreeing with them in downplaying a pandemic
No outlet has been more antagonistic to capital than the grayzone. I don’t think a bad take equates being a nazbol, or reactionary, or sexist. These are serious things you are swinging around, and this is like the only good journalistic outlet we have. You all need to chill the fuck out before you wreck the few nice things we have
insufferable purity goblins
usually this just means "people who are more principled than me"
It means idealist liberals who side with Covid-breaching Finnish liberals instead of anti-imperialist journalists with bonadides
How is it sexist to believe KJU is cooler than this Natoid prime minister?
This is an embarrassing thing for any head of state to do, I would mock it if it was Boris Johnson partying and flirting and cheating and on drugs too (and many did, it was a large stated reason for him being usurped but I suspect just a cover for other political maneuvers)
We really going all in to the “can’t mock lib leaders for looking like fools if they are women” argument?
I don’t see how the scandal is any more or less bullshit than any other optics-based character-assassination scandal, of which I have oft mocked leaders for
And it’s EXTRA LIB to say people mocking a lib leader makes them a “nazbol” come on that’s an insane leap, especially when they are anti-imperialist journalists
I think “reading between the lines” to cancel Grayzone through spurious implications derived from Twitter culture nonsense is not something I’m going to do. You all have fun reading the nazbol tea leaves though
Even your reply is being far too uncharitable to an anti-imperialist comrade and just assuming they are sexist. I don’t see anything wrong with the original post, it’s just a funny riff on a trending topic that essentially boils down to: Kim Jong Un rocks, western leader sucks
What complaint? Why are you people so fucking hostile? You are clearly in the middle of some Twitter war on this topic and are projecting those feelings here towards people who just walked in on this subject
Calling grayzone writers sexist and nazbol for an innocuous meme because of some type of intention reading implication 3-degrees by association nonsense and expecting us to know what you are angry about
I didn’t say you specifically called them a nazbol. I said people in this thread and comment chain were, and you just merely called him sexist before piling on, how charitable. Maybe you should take your own advice and chill the fuck out
“You all have fun reading the Nazbol tea lives”
Clearly the “all” part means I’m speaking to the entire comment thread.
take your own advice and read and also stop picking fights with comrade to wreck, I know you are on your alt TrashCompactor or whatever you made this account the day that one was banned
Did you actually watch any of the footage, she is feeling up and heavily flirting a guy who is not her husband. She’s clearly on drugs.
This is not an acceptable thing for heads of state to do, man or woman, and is a perfectly valid target of mockery
Was Fidel married, cheating on his spouse and doing drugs during a nuclear crisis? Was there footage showing this explicitly? If there was I would criticize him for such reckless blunders
This is not an acceptable thing for heads of state to do,
why not
A dude who tried his best for his nation, struggle with his country against imperialism. Or a PM whom look like doesn’t give a shite, (just like others western leader), and make her country broke neutrality without any referendum, and put her country on the Russian nuke map. I know who I’m going to pick
smoking is very good , american stopped smoking and look what happend , its cold Turkey from top to Bottom...
Also it gives you something to do with your hand while dancing ..
