Hawai'i is uniquely bad to visit because people pressured by rising prices can't just move a couple hundred miles away - they are expelled from their ancestral lands basically forever. And the home and rental prices in Hawai'i are particularly bad since the pandemic
if property is theft why would it be bad for anyone to want to see the natural wonders of the world, and why should anyone have any right to deny another's right to experience them in person? all of it should be all our common heritage as human beings
just adding to the start of the struggle, I'm gonna go drrink and play videogames
if property is theft why would it be bad for anyone to want to see the natural wonders of the world, and why should anyone have any right to deny another’s right to experience them in person? all of it should be all our common heritage as human beings
This is a take that is maybe justifiable in a world in which International FALGSC has already been established; but I don't think it applies in the here & now. It's like saying that because hard national borders are a product of Liberal-Bourgeois Nationalistic ideology (they largely are), that this means that the DPRK should just submit to the South. It's a take that helps absolutely no-one for whom the discussion actually matters.
I suppose it depends on whether or not you're assuming that world in which Communism is politically dominant would also mean one in which a place like Hawai'i would be able to maintain it's own political & cultural autonomy. :shrug-outta-hecks:
i think it would but like, how would it "pay for" necessary infrastructure in the absence of its tourist economy? like China didn't just build its manufacturing base out of literally nothing, so, would Hawaii be better off without tourist income if that tourist income were explicitly under the operation of and to the benefit of the natives? The things in the image re: water resources are nice thoughts, but what if i.e. even in the absence of tourism driven changes in water allocation there is a need for an expensive desalination plant? infrastructure doesn't just come from the aether and just assuming Hawaii would otherwise Make It Happen is just... wishful thinking
I mean, my read on the original, original post; the one that's got the little palm tree on it. My read on the take that it's trying to give, is that it's bad to personally partake in tourism to Hawai'i, because it only really serves as a way to sell a kitsch, commodified version of Hawaiian culture to :thumb-cop:-shaped gringos, to absolutely no benefit to it's native people. Probably not unlike Cuba under Batista really.
Uhh, as to what Hawai'i should, or would do otherwise, especially under Communism? I have no idea, and don't pretend to. I'm from the rural midwest & I'm too broke to ever leave this hellish void. Cuba may be a good place to look for inspiration though, perhaps. 👀
if you negate a need for hawaii to “earn” money by being a tourist hotspot
So, how
What can the hawaiian islands provide that would build the necessary infrastructure for self sufficiency? Posing hypotheticals from post- global communism is still wishful thinking
Does global communism mean building everything everywhere without regard for anything? Without the need to support tourist infrastructure why build Whatever Project in Hawaii over whatever region more resilient to climate change issues? Infrastructure doesn't come from nothing and if there's no reason to consider the beauty of whatever region over something more survivable long term, again, you're operating on wishful thinking, but unfortunately humanity can't survive on vibes alone
that's just wishful thinking and vibes tho at least "spend tourist income on benefiting the locality" is based on real world necessity. Like what is this equal distribution of resources shit? Build air conditioners in death valley to uh keep up tourism??
One supposes that under FALGSC, Hawaii could have political and cultural autonomy without having to be either fully self-sufficent or have an exportable resource surplus.
The Virgin Tourist v. The Chad Migrant/Traveler/Bedoin. Traveling for months or years at a time, camping at parks in between cities, working odd jobs at every stop and making new friends along the way, never owning real estate, traveling in a large family group.
A lot of the big tourist landmarks are removed from the rest of the city. There's a bunch of Paris outside the Beltway that tourists never visit.
New York is another classic example. Times Square is a big tourist trap full of overpriced hotels and entertainment venues. Most people either live in the north end of Manhattan or out on Long Island. The actual tourist footprint is a tiny fraction of the city.
Same with New Orleans. Most people don't leave the Jackson Square area. Nobody in the Fourteenth Ward or Gentilly will see you. Even just walking as far as Marigny and the tourists drop off to a trickle.
And what we usually call Las Vegas is actually an unincorporated community called Paradise. The actual city of Las Vegas is pretty unremarkable, and no tourists ever go there.
Even just walking as far as Marigny and the tourists drop off to a trickle.
Which is good and/or a shame, depending on your point of view, because the Marigny is great. I used to go to the Dragon's Den and Cafe Brasil all the time in the 90s.
It definitely depends on the place. As a Floridian the only negative feelings we have towards tourists is that we’ll make fun of you but as much as I hate this place we do depend on tourism. Hawaii isn’t the same. And of the things making it suck here tourism is really far down the list.
tourism, but only permitted to nonce island and you're required to assault at least 5 now-subjugated anglos per week of holiday (rounded up to the next week)
honestly i think we're due for a "is tourism bad?" struggle sesh
Hawai'i is uniquely bad to visit because people pressured by rising prices can't just move a couple hundred miles away - they are expelled from their ancestral lands basically forever. And the home and rental prices in Hawai'i are particularly bad since the pandemic
:yea:
if property is theft why would it be bad for anyone to want to see the natural wonders of the world, and why should anyone have any right to deny another's right to experience them in person? all of it should be all our common heritage as human beings
just adding to the start of the struggle, I'm gonna go drrink and play videogames
starts struggle session
bails instantly to go drink and play video games
:gigachad: unbelievably based
I said I'd bail but i'm still here because I'm lame
Anyway TECHNICALLY the comment above me started it. Also too drunk to continue see you in 10 hours <3
tourism but you must do it in a train or sailboat
flying is wasteful and boats are scary so yeah sure
edit: i'm afraid of the ocean but I'd maybe take an ocean-train to hawaii
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I'd still be afraid to drive on it tbh
If you go through a railing you fall all the way down the mariana trench lol
Have you considered airships, though?
This is a take that is maybe justifiable in a world in which International FALGSC has already been established; but I don't think it applies in the here & now. It's like saying that because hard national borders are a product of Liberal-Bourgeois Nationalistic ideology (they largely are), that this means that the DPRK should just submit to the South. It's a take that helps absolutely no-one for whom the discussion actually matters.
I mean is the image in the OP suggesting that things would be different with communist property relations? not really
I suppose it depends on whether or not you're assuming that world in which Communism is politically dominant would also mean one in which a place like Hawai'i would be able to maintain it's own political & cultural autonomy. :shrug-outta-hecks:
i think it would but like, how would it "pay for" necessary infrastructure in the absence of its tourist economy? like China didn't just build its manufacturing base out of literally nothing, so, would Hawaii be better off without tourist income if that tourist income were explicitly under the operation of and to the benefit of the natives? The things in the image re: water resources are nice thoughts, but what if i.e. even in the absence of tourism driven changes in water allocation there is a need for an expensive desalination plant? infrastructure doesn't just come from the aether and just assuming Hawaii would otherwise Make It Happen is just... wishful thinking
I mean, my read on the original, original post; the one that's got the little palm tree on it. My read on the take that it's trying to give, is that it's bad to personally partake in tourism to Hawai'i, because it only really serves as a way to sell a kitsch, commodified version of Hawaiian culture to :thumb-cop:-shaped gringos, to absolutely no benefit to it's native people. Probably not unlike Cuba under Batista really.
Uhh, as to what Hawai'i should, or would do otherwise, especially under Communism? I have no idea, and don't pretend to. I'm from the rural midwest & I'm too broke to ever leave this hellish void. Cuba may be a good place to look for inspiration though, perhaps. 👀
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So, how
What can the hawaiian islands provide that would build the necessary infrastructure for self sufficiency? Posing hypotheticals from post- global communism is still wishful thinking
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Does global communism mean building everything everywhere without regard for anything? Without the need to support tourist infrastructure why build Whatever Project in Hawaii over whatever region more resilient to climate change issues? Infrastructure doesn't come from nothing and if there's no reason to consider the beauty of whatever region over something more survivable long term, again, you're operating on wishful thinking, but unfortunately humanity can't survive on vibes alone
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that's just wishful thinking and vibes tho at least "spend tourist income on benefiting the locality" is based on real world necessity. Like what is this equal distribution of resources shit? Build air conditioners in death valley to uh keep up tourism??
I'm going to sleep good night
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One supposes that under FALGSC, Hawaii could have political and cultural autonomy without having to be either fully self-sufficent or have an exportable resource surplus.
based
double book it with the "what is cultural appropriation, really?" struggle sesh and see which one gets more play
Meanwhile, the feds take notes...
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Meh.
The Virgin Tourist v. The Chad Migrant/Traveler/Bedoin. Traveling for months or years at a time, camping at parks in between cities, working odd jobs at every stop and making new friends along the way, never owning real estate, traveling in a large family group.
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A lot of the big tourist landmarks are removed from the rest of the city. There's a bunch of Paris outside the Beltway that tourists never visit.
New York is another classic example. Times Square is a big tourist trap full of overpriced hotels and entertainment venues. Most people either live in the north end of Manhattan or out on Long Island. The actual tourist footprint is a tiny fraction of the city.
Same with New Orleans. Most people don't leave the Jackson Square area. Nobody in the Fourteenth Ward or Gentilly will see you. Even just walking as far as Marigny and the tourists drop off to a trickle.
And what we usually call Las Vegas is actually an unincorporated community called Paradise. The actual city of Las Vegas is pretty unremarkable, and no tourists ever go there.
Which is good and/or a shame, depending on your point of view, because the Marigny is great. I used to go to the Dragon's Den and Cafe Brasil all the time in the 90s.
It definitely depends on the place. As a Floridian the only negative feelings we have towards tourists is that we’ll make fun of you but as much as I hate this place we do depend on tourism. Hawaii isn’t the same. And of the things making it suck here tourism is really far down the list.
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tourism, but only permitted to nonce island and you're required to assault at least 5 now-subjugated anglos per week of holiday (rounded up to the next week)
If youre white yes, if not no