I think everyone here is underestimating this shit. This looks a lot like what the fascists were doing when they couped Ukraine in 2014.
The fighting in the streets won't involve guns, you watched BLM. It will involve clashes between unarmed civilians with an occasional shooting. They're not training for actual war they're training to function as a domestic terrorist force against the left. They will serve that function, inflicting terror, reducing protest participation and inspiring fear in people to shut up so that things get forced further and further rightwards.
something that came to mind is that they are practicing cop tactics here. Maybe they are planning on "offering their services" as a freikorps-like paramilitary force to local police forces if shit really does hit the fan. Wouldn't be much of a step considering fash are already crawling around inside every police department in America. They wouldn't be hardened soldiers but still plenty dangerous to innocents if given authority and weapons.
Also I have no doubt they also run shootings lesson at this boot camp of theirs as well. It's seriously concerning.
Before the fascists organised in Ukraine they were football hooligans and gangs. They went to games and got in fights, spread reactionary hate, etc etc. Nothing too major just vandals and thugs.
Then they started doing this kind of training, which functioned to organise them. They would engage in local terror like attacking russian businesses or anything they could get away with due to saying something provocative, (compare this with attacks on libraries and story hour). They then later became the basis of the forces that pulled off the 2014 coup. They were maybe 2-4% of the total protest but were 90% of its effectiveness, they functioned as an organised vanguard that the rest of protesters would follow. Combine that with millions and millions of dollars on tv channels to push people to the streets and then millions and millions of dollars poured into the protests to make them "fun" with music and food provided so that people would stay there long enough to participate repeatedly. Pulling off this kind of "revolution" is a matter of having enough of an organised vanguard to direct things when necessary and having the ability to get a very large number of people to congregate somewhere important and keep them there. That's what they did and it succeeded.
After the coup the Azov commanders that got into power in the Ministry of Internal Affairs like Arsen Avakov then built the Special Tasks Patrol Police out of these various organised and trained fascist groups up and down the country. Explicitly institutionalising all of these small freikorps groups as a police force in and of themselves, they had already been acting as police during their pre-2014 terror campaigns against businesses and the like, just not the kind of "police" a liberal would identify, a fascist police and terror force.
The same tactics are occurring. The same approaches to organising are occurring.
that was basically Kyle Rittenhouse's intention for going to Kenosha, and he went with his fascist friends too. we saw how much the police protected him.
the more organized these groups get, the more appealing they will be as collaborators with the state.
Black bloc is a tactic, mostly for street demonstrations. Because the reactionaries wisened up to it and recognize it, it now only works when deployed suddenly and without any tip-off. "Gray" bloc remains effective.
The people that prepare to do black bloc, though... there need to be more of those.
I think everyone here is underestimating this shit. This looks a lot like what the fascists were doing when they couped Ukraine in 2014.
The fighting in the streets won't involve guns, you watched BLM. It will involve clashes between unarmed civilians with an occasional shooting. They're not training for actual war they're training to function as a domestic terrorist force against the left. They will serve that function, inflicting terror, reducing protest participation and inspiring fear in people to shut up so that things get forced further and further rightwards.
something that came to mind is that they are practicing cop tactics here. Maybe they are planning on "offering their services" as a freikorps-like paramilitary force to local police forces if shit really does hit the fan. Wouldn't be much of a step considering fash are already crawling around inside every police department in America. They wouldn't be hardened soldiers but still plenty dangerous to innocents if given authority and weapons.
Also I have no doubt they also run shootings lesson at this boot camp of theirs as well. It's seriously concerning.
Yes that is exactly what I'm seeing.
Before the fascists organised in Ukraine they were football hooligans and gangs. They went to games and got in fights, spread reactionary hate, etc etc. Nothing too major just vandals and thugs.
Then they started doing this kind of training, which functioned to organise them. They would engage in local terror like attacking russian businesses or anything they could get away with due to saying something provocative, (compare this with attacks on libraries and story hour). They then later became the basis of the forces that pulled off the 2014 coup. They were maybe 2-4% of the total protest but were 90% of its effectiveness, they functioned as an organised vanguard that the rest of protesters would follow. Combine that with millions and millions of dollars on tv channels to push people to the streets and then millions and millions of dollars poured into the protests to make them "fun" with music and food provided so that people would stay there long enough to participate repeatedly. Pulling off this kind of "revolution" is a matter of having enough of an organised vanguard to direct things when necessary and having the ability to get a very large number of people to congregate somewhere important and keep them there. That's what they did and it succeeded.
After the coup the Azov commanders that got into power in the Ministry of Internal Affairs like Arsen Avakov then built the Special Tasks Patrol Police out of these various organised and trained fascist groups up and down the country. Explicitly institutionalising all of these small freikorps groups as a police force in and of themselves, they had already been acting as police during their pre-2014 terror campaigns against businesses and the like, just not the kind of "police" a liberal would identify, a fascist police and terror force.
The same tactics are occurring. The same approaches to organising are occurring.
that was basically Kyle Rittenhouse's intention for going to Kenosha, and he went with his fascist friends too. we saw how much the police protected him.
the more organized these groups get, the more appealing they will be as collaborators with the state.
I do hope black bloc or somebody is training to counter these tactics.
Black bloc is a tactic, mostly for street demonstrations. Because the reactionaries wisened up to it and recognize it, it now only works when deployed suddenly and without any tip-off. "Gray" bloc remains effective.
The people that prepare to do black bloc, though... there need to be more of those.