what a letdown

  • President_Obama [they/them]
    ·
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    transnational “green” billionaires advance a “reset” of the global food system.

    :soros:

    Grayzone is such weird stuff. Used to be anti-imperialist conspiracy disinfo, now more and more often reactionary disinfo.

      • sexywheat [none/use name]
        ·
        2 years ago

        What exactly the fuck happened to Greenwald? He used to be so based and now he's chumming about with Alex fucking Jones?!

    • Lussy [any]
      ·
      2 years ago

      Damn, so that’s who on the ‘left’ now that’s slowly becoming fash?

      Grayzone including Blumethal, Red Scare pod w Dasha, Glenn Greenwald…wow, it’s almost like we warned people about how stupidpol is reactionary bs.

    • usa_suxxx [they/them]
      ·
      2 years ago

      I think Ben Norton was the one who brought all the actual principles to that outfit.

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
    ·
    2 years ago

    A primarily contrarian media outlet supported reactionaries?

    Imagine my shock!

  • geikei [none/use name]
    ·
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    Like @granit said a while back quite succinctly

    It doesn’t matter anymore. The point is that even the petit bourgeois reactionaries are being squeezed economically while mega corporations rake in record profits. Sooner or later, the poor working class will identify more with those chud petit bourgeoisie than the soc dem left that have already capitulated to the neoliberal elite class. So you can laugh all you want about the chud trucker protests, the reactionary Dutch farmer protests, but at the end of the day the left does not offer a viable alternative and in the end the fascists will seize the left economic narrative to mobilize the support of the working class.

    So while stanning those protests is dumb and these farmers are Pettit Bourgeois , these protests in Holland are prob the only the large scale disruptive active resistance by "non rich" people against the "status quo" for "economic reasons" poor people in these countries have seen in a while. Yeah of course the left shouldnt join them or anything but i feel "they are fascist reactionary Petit-Bourgeois chuds that no one should support and i laugh at the police beating them up" literally means nothing as a position to most normal people who will just move further away from you and closer to national small buisness owner and petit bourgeois action, rhetoric and reaction against the government that largely stems from similar grand geopolitical and economic issues as worker's plight (covid economic destruction and disasterous handling, inflation and enetrgy prices due to Russian sanctions, late neoliberalism etc)

    • AcidSmiley [she/her]
      ·
      2 years ago

      So while stanning those protests is dumb and these farmers are Pettit Bourgeois , these protests in Holland are prob the only the large scale disruptive active resistance by “non rich” people against the “status quo” for “economic reasons” poor people in these countries have seen in a while.

      There were strikes by actual agricultural workers (those picking fruit on the field, not those owning the fields) at the start of the pandemic in places like Germany, but they received almost zero media coverage. Go figure. There's also plenty of successful union activity in the US atm - yet the same nazboloid wreckers who will celebrate the kulak protests in the Netherlands insist that people working at Starbucks or Amazon aren't workers. It's almost as if these red-browns are part of the effort to redirect any outrage at capitalism towards a fascist movement that poses zero threat to capitalism.

      • Praksis [any]
        hexagon
        ·
        2 years ago

        You know I was going to respond but you worded it very well, I've got nothing to really add. This is a misdirection towards a right-wing movement that won't threaten capitalism. The left-wing in the Netherlands is also largely at fault here for not capitalizing on anything/not even knowing what they want to be.

        • AcidSmiley [she/her]
          ·
          2 years ago

          The right wing anywhere in the western world could never be as strong as it is without 150 years of anti-communism. The weakness of the left is a problem, but it is in large parts an engineered one.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
          ·
          2 years ago

          Neoliberalism-produced alienated isolated culturally and socially atomized people feeling lost and purposeless are suddenly told that everything bad happening is because of them :us-foreign-policy: is an easy sell.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
              ·
              2 years ago

              Fascists don't interrupt brunch, so neoliberals don't care. At least, brunch isn't interrupted yet. They're high on their own supply of ideological insulation.

    • comi [he/him]
      ·
      2 years ago

      It’s this close to necessary conditions of fascism, only they don’t have the left or organized labor to smash, what are they gonna do? Smash transnationals? They’ll buy blackwater services if it comes to that. Yes, they’ll rail against lgbtq and immigrants folk, but coincidentally absence of immigrants will fuck them up by itself, and lgbtq folks are largely non-economical group. It feels the way forward for them is putting trade barriers, which is impossible inside eu. So that leaves colonization (unlikely, but possible), immiseration of working class to immigrant levels of exploitation (somewhat unlikely) or just breakdown. And it will take couple of decades

      They are not fascists, that’s absurd, but they are nascent force in search of release

      • YouJustDidAReddit [none/use name]
        ·
        2 years ago

        Communism would not be a net negative for them. It'd be a net negative for them in the sense that they're literally sadists who can only enjoy their lives by harming others but their areas would be safer, they'd work less, they'd make the same or slightly more money, they'd be healthier, the government would be easier to interact with, and they'd enjoy their jobs more. Unfortunately they're also pathetic fascist freaks whose brains have been distorted by a constant immersion in propaganda justifying their fascist, sadistic world view. They couldn't handle actual freedom communism would afford them, but only a tiny, tiny portion of the world's population would actually be worse off under what the left is offering them. It's pretty clear that most people aren't actually happy in their lives anywhere.

  • Homestar440 [he/him]
    ·
    2 years ago

    My brain saw Petit Bourgeoise and replaced it with this guy :pete-eat:

  • tagen
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    deleted by creator

      • Praksis [any]
        hexagon
        ·
        2 years ago

        Yes, it was ruled on by the courts that nitrogen emissions had to be reduced. This would've happened even without the war in Ukraine.

      • tagen
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        deleted by creator

    • usa_suxxx [they/them]
      ·
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      Grayzone now is reactionaries. Grayzone before corona was not reactionary but it has become clear that was a large part due to Ben Norton. Ben Norton likely exited due to Max Blumenthal's anti vax stuff, Max started to push. Grayzone has received mixed reviews here even before they went reactionary. Some people had doubts about Benjamin Norton's future alone but his Multipolarista stuff and principles have seemed solid

      https://nitter.net/BenjaminNorton/status/1561033941079015425?t=ROjCe9Z2gw_KTkze2y7qxA&s=19

        • comi [he/him]
          ·
          2 years ago

          The protest are over sensible, but absurdly abruptly implemented policy, so left supporting is kinda eh. There are points to be made over meat consumption and fertilization in general, but that would make them even madder.

    • tagen
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      deleted by creator

  • Multihedra [he/him]
    ·
    2 years ago

    I’ve definitely heard the term “no farmers no food”; that’s the shit the Boer say in South Africa.

    The fucking Dutch in SA are still whining about the same shit over there too, especially with recent EFF events

    Hope they get crushed everywhere tbh :fash-bash: