That doesn't feel right to me. In an industry like anime where you have have clear and obvious scences portrayed as positive I think is not that. I just looked up a hentai site and if the postings can be taken as a valid measure of community feelings people are genrally not into it. Where you can find hentai with the same themes just one click over. Lots of it. If you want I can make a graph. I would say it is better than game of of thrones of which it is mostly contemporary. And way better than the rest of the anime which it is contemporary to. This is by anime standards a strong subversion off the tropes involved. And I am fully lib brained about it. It cooks my noodle that this is the only anime to show sexual violence as anyway bad and people complain about it the most.
I agree that it is a fumble. But look at SAO if they wanted to just do a stright up ecchi scene they could have. People who are fans of this kind of thing don't click on it on hentai sites. So the experts disagree. I think that those poses are the cheapest to get overworked artists to draw so they just went with it because they didn't see it as a large part of the product. But we are talking about a small part of one episode where the rest of the series is about how messed up that was. I am saying the writer is part of a genere where sexual violence is so prevelant where their work felt subversive to them and I feel that is the context to examine it from here.
We are talking past eachother then. The art studio, the production company, and the author clearly had different ideas about what the product should be. I feel that the work as a unit does have a valuable critique of the anime industry.
I really think you saw the scene, found it distasteful and theat means the anime is bad. Whereas I think it was distasteful and that scenes of sexual violence should be distasteful which means the anime is good. It is simply ultimately unimportant as the discourse as large doesn't care about the work. Does it makes sense though where I am coming from about it even if you think I am wrong?
If they wanted to make full out porn they would have done it an no one would have complained. They probably would have made more money. The rest of the text of the work shows this is bad. It is bad. Everone is in agreement that it is bad. It is to my knowlge the only anime where multiple epsidodes are devoted to pstd, how sexual violence is bad, and how people don't listen to survivors. Obviously they didn't stick the landing or there arguments about it. I feel like as it doesn't really matter it is praiseworthy that they set out to show sexual violence as being bad.
Maybe I am broken then. Cause when I watch that scene I don't find it at all exciting. I know I see lots of other people saying this in the discourse. So this is not some idiosyncratic take of mine alone.
Of course manga is better written we are grading on the curve of anime.
If the rest of the show didn't go on to be way better than average I would have to agree with you. There is always the problem that depecting things you don't approve of is hard. Every piece horror media deals with that. Obvious it wasn't a total success but it is readable as a scene trying to show the horror of the situation. But ultimately the direction of that scene is not the full discussiok of the work. And I feel the rest od thr work has intresting things to say.
I think bezerk does Casca dirty on how it handles her arc. She is definitely fridged. Where as we have mutiple female characters here who are survivors and it treats them as having valid emotions and working through their trauma in multie ways some healthy and successful.
That doesn't feel right to me. In an industry like anime where you have have clear and obvious scences portrayed as positive I think is not that. I just looked up a hentai site and if the postings can be taken as a valid measure of community feelings people are genrally not into it. Where you can find hentai with the same themes just one click over. Lots of it. If you want I can make a graph. I would say it is better than game of of thrones of which it is mostly contemporary. And way better than the rest of the anime which it is contemporary to. This is by anime standards a strong subversion off the tropes involved. And I am fully lib brained about it. It cooks my noodle that this is the only anime to show sexual violence as anyway bad and people complain about it the most.
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I agree that it is a fumble. But look at SAO if they wanted to just do a stright up ecchi scene they could have. People who are fans of this kind of thing don't click on it on hentai sites. So the experts disagree. I think that those poses are the cheapest to get overworked artists to draw so they just went with it because they didn't see it as a large part of the product. But we are talking about a small part of one episode where the rest of the series is about how messed up that was. I am saying the writer is part of a genere where sexual violence is so prevelant where their work felt subversive to them and I feel that is the context to examine it from here.
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We are talking past eachother then. The art studio, the production company, and the author clearly had different ideas about what the product should be. I feel that the work as a unit does have a valuable critique of the anime industry.
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I really think you saw the scene, found it distasteful and theat means the anime is bad. Whereas I think it was distasteful and that scenes of sexual violence should be distasteful which means the anime is good. It is simply ultimately unimportant as the discourse as large doesn't care about the work. Does it makes sense though where I am coming from about it even if you think I am wrong?
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If they wanted to make full out porn they would have done it an no one would have complained. They probably would have made more money. The rest of the text of the work shows this is bad. It is bad. Everone is in agreement that it is bad. It is to my knowlge the only anime where multiple epsidodes are devoted to pstd, how sexual violence is bad, and how people don't listen to survivors. Obviously they didn't stick the landing or there arguments about it. I feel like as it doesn't really matter it is praiseworthy that they set out to show sexual violence as being bad.
Maybe I am broken then. Cause when I watch that scene I don't find it at all exciting. I know I see lots of other people saying this in the discourse. So this is not some idiosyncratic take of mine alone.
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Of course manga is better written we are grading on the curve of anime.
If the rest of the show didn't go on to be way better than average I would have to agree with you. There is always the problem that depecting things you don't approve of is hard. Every piece horror media deals with that. Obvious it wasn't a total success but it is readable as a scene trying to show the horror of the situation. But ultimately the direction of that scene is not the full discussiok of the work. And I feel the rest od thr work has intresting things to say.
I think bezerk does Casca dirty on how it handles her arc. She is definitely fridged. Where as we have mutiple female characters here who are survivors and it treats them as having valid emotions and working through their trauma in multie ways some healthy and successful.
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