My answer is that there is no answer to these questions, and to try an predetermine one is honestly pretty macabre. In a revolution, which is by definition an act of extreme violence and domination, morality becomes secondary to winning. Deciding in the moment whether or not something is necessary is messy and ugly but sometimes that's what had to be done.
Hypothetically, let's say the fascists are genociding Latinos. Like straight up turn ICE camps into death camps. And let's say we take all of the fascist leaders children hostage but they won't negotiate because they don't believe we will kill children. What do you do? Do you kill one? I'd say yes. What if they still refuse to negotiate, or only meet some of the demands? It's a fucked up situation but it's necessary.
Killing children to instill a sense of general terror, is a worthless act as well as an immoral acts. Immoral acts must only be taken when the ends justify the means, but that's always going to be a gray area and not everyone is going to agree on what constitutes as "necessary".
Definitely not what I'm saying. I'm saying that there are circumstances surrounding any hypothetical acts of violence. Holding a firm moral stance against a particular type of violence and ruling it out completely, to the point that you'd literally desert the revolution because of it, means that you don't really see revolution for what it is and don't regard the current order as one that's built on mass slaughter in the first place.
It's pretty easy to say you wouldn't kill children. I mean, if anyone asked me with no context of obviously say no, because I have no desire to kill anyone let alone an innocent child. But in a hypothetical war with reactionaries, I don't know the context. I don't know if they will be trying to genocide my friends and family or whatever because it's hypothetical. People underestimate the insane brutality which the forces of reaction are willing to use to hold onto their power, and also the brutality that is necessary to defeat them.
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My answer is that there is no answer to these questions, and to try an predetermine one is honestly pretty macabre. In a revolution, which is by definition an act of extreme violence and domination, morality becomes secondary to winning. Deciding in the moment whether or not something is necessary is messy and ugly but sometimes that's what had to be done.
Hypothetically, let's say the fascists are genociding Latinos. Like straight up turn ICE camps into death camps. And let's say we take all of the fascist leaders children hostage but they won't negotiate because they don't believe we will kill children. What do you do? Do you kill one? I'd say yes. What if they still refuse to negotiate, or only meet some of the demands? It's a fucked up situation but it's necessary.
Killing children to instill a sense of general terror, is a worthless act as well as an immoral acts. Immoral acts must only be taken when the ends justify the means, but that's always going to be a gray area and not everyone is going to agree on what constitutes as "necessary".
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All the libs in here are saying "killing children is wrong and I'd rather a revolution fail than participate in immoral acts for the greater good"
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Definitely not what I'm saying. I'm saying that there are circumstances surrounding any hypothetical acts of violence. Holding a firm moral stance against a particular type of violence and ruling it out completely, to the point that you'd literally desert the revolution because of it, means that you don't really see revolution for what it is and don't regard the current order as one that's built on mass slaughter in the first place.
It's pretty easy to say you wouldn't kill children. I mean, if anyone asked me with no context of obviously say no, because I have no desire to kill anyone let alone an innocent child. But in a hypothetical war with reactionaries, I don't know the context. I don't know if they will be trying to genocide my friends and family or whatever because it's hypothetical. People underestimate the insane brutality which the forces of reaction are willing to use to hold onto their power, and also the brutality that is necessary to defeat them.