I think that as time goes on the obviousness of streamers as representing the ruling class will make itself clearer and clearer. As the contradictions tighten and tighten it becomes necessary for media to become more and more obvious, this doesn't just apply to news media, it applies to new media as well.
You could catch most of these streamers out with something in interview format that does not allow debate and forces them to state policy positions. It will get harder for them to hide, and in the meantime they are contributing to the growth of the left.
Full-time streamers without a side gig aren't proletarian. Their content simply reflects their class. The poorest ones are artisans, workers who own their own means of production while the richest ones are bourgeois. The ones that make it will go on to become petty bourgeois through the hiring of additional staff while the ones that don't are forced to take up side gigs or find a day job, becoming proletarians.
I agree. And as the contradictions tighten they will get louder and louder about protecting their class interests.
The thing is with old news media vs the new media is that the news media has a layer of abstraction that hides class and presents institutional respectability. The news is trusted because others trust it because they've been around a long time and have organisational endorsement from organisations, politicians and so on and so forth.
Streamers do not have this. There is no abstraction between their class interests and the audience. When things head into crises there will be A LOT of streamers that make their class look very very bad.
What they do have however that the old news media does not have is the parasocial relationship effect. I think this however is unlikely to continue carrying weight among older audiences, I don't think there will be 30+ year old Mr Beast fans fanboying out over him cutting the ribbon at restaurant number 300.
As time goes on this crowd of "influencers" that represent the bourgeoisie with none of the strategy of backroom news media will end up being a significant liability rather than a good thing for them.
What we're going to see is a phasing out of personalities and their replacement with someone new more frequently. These streaming groups are still managed and coordinated through backrooms. The important thing for the parasocial relationship isn't the individual streamer, but the style of their content which quickly becomes a commodity as they employ more and more production staff.
This cultural commodity can now be farmed out en mass to create a bumper crop of similar content of which 99% will fizzle and die while one or two that match the ideological requirements succeed.
They'll either keep banning these retired personalities, or they'll kill them by pushing the new thing and driving them back to obscurity. We've already seen this happen a ton with some of the old New Media groups (Smosh, Vlog Brothers, Rhett and Link, Machinima, etc) where they either died or kinda disappeared from the limelight while absorbing new content into their ideological umbrella. I think all of those groups now own a huge number of channels through contracts and such. Except Machinima which I think actually exploded.
So you're imagining something like idol culture taking over? I could see that happening. Hololive is the current major successful one. I the old "new media groups" all failed because they still relied on some element of these individuals as major organisers and the organisational structure to self-perpetuate and bring up new icons was never constructed, once they aged up they got bored because they didn't need more money and never adapted to changing trends because they were comfortable just playing games.
I could see that happening but I have not yet seen a western company with the organisational capacity to not fizzle out. Eastern companies oriented around idol culture do much better with this.
Vaush was banned for saying the US military should invade Israel and possibly also antisemitic comments. Haz was banned for spreading russian misinformation. The reason's for Destiny last ban are unknown but he was originally departnered for saying chuds should run over leftist protestors with their cars.
They all stream on youtube now. Before being banned, Haz had an average 400 live viewers and Vaush had 600. Those people are not really leftists and I don't think I would consider them to be leftist streamers.
These are some top streamers that do political coverage that I like. There are some more that I like that have far less live viewers. I've found around 40 twitch streamers who talk about leftist politics and have between 10 to 100 average live viewers.
Average Live viewers 33000 HasanAbi - Hasan "America Deserved 9/11" Piker, News Coverage 2200 Central_Committee - Mike from PA, DSA organizer 944 Keffals - Transgender activist 480 LivAgar - Liv talks about political theory and memes 330 TheSerfsTV - News Coverage and Politics 280 chapotraphouse - Obligatory. Mostly chapo FYM crew watching 'dudes rock' type videos. Sometimes Matt Christman rants. Sometimes Felix playing fortnite.
I think that as time goes on the obviousness of streamers as representing the ruling class will make itself clearer and clearer. As the contradictions tighten and tighten it becomes necessary for media to become more and more obvious, this doesn't just apply to news media, it applies to new media as well.
You could catch most of these streamers out with something in interview format that does not allow debate and forces them to state policy positions. It will get harder for them to hide, and in the meantime they are contributing to the growth of the left.
Full-time streamers without a side gig aren't proletarian. Their content simply reflects their class. The poorest ones are artisans, workers who own their own means of production while the richest ones are bourgeois. The ones that make it will go on to become petty bourgeois through the hiring of additional staff while the ones that don't are forced to take up side gigs or find a day job, becoming proletarians.
I agree. And as the contradictions tighten they will get louder and louder about protecting their class interests.
The thing is with old news media vs the new media is that the news media has a layer of abstraction that hides class and presents institutional respectability. The news is trusted because others trust it because they've been around a long time and have organisational endorsement from organisations, politicians and so on and so forth.
Streamers do not have this. There is no abstraction between their class interests and the audience. When things head into crises there will be A LOT of streamers that make their class look very very bad.
What they do have however that the old news media does not have is the parasocial relationship effect. I think this however is unlikely to continue carrying weight among older audiences, I don't think there will be 30+ year old Mr Beast fans fanboying out over him cutting the ribbon at restaurant number 300.
As time goes on this crowd of "influencers" that represent the bourgeoisie with none of the strategy of backroom news media will end up being a significant liability rather than a good thing for them.
What we're going to see is a phasing out of personalities and their replacement with someone new more frequently. These streaming groups are still managed and coordinated through backrooms. The important thing for the parasocial relationship isn't the individual streamer, but the style of their content which quickly becomes a commodity as they employ more and more production staff.
This cultural commodity can now be farmed out en mass to create a bumper crop of similar content of which 99% will fizzle and die while one or two that match the ideological requirements succeed.
They'll either keep banning these retired personalities, or they'll kill them by pushing the new thing and driving them back to obscurity. We've already seen this happen a ton with some of the old New Media groups (Smosh, Vlog Brothers, Rhett and Link, Machinima, etc) where they either died or kinda disappeared from the limelight while absorbing new content into their ideological umbrella. I think all of those groups now own a huge number of channels through contracts and such. Except Machinima which I think actually exploded.
So you're imagining something like idol culture taking over? I could see that happening. Hololive is the current major successful one. I the old "new media groups" all failed because they still relied on some element of these individuals as major organisers and the organisational structure to self-perpetuate and bring up new icons was never constructed, once they aged up they got bored because they didn't need more money and never adapted to changing trends because they were comfortable just playing games.
I could see that happening but I have not yet seen a western company with the organisational capacity to not fizzle out. Eastern companies oriented around idol culture do much better with this.
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Vaush and Haz are banned from twitch. Destiny is also banned from twitch.
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cw/ twitch bans
Vaush was banned for saying the US military should invade Israel and possibly also antisemitic comments. Haz was banned for spreading russian misinformation. The reason's for Destiny last ban are unknown but he was originally departnered for saying chuds should run over leftist protestors with their cars.
They all stream on youtube now. Before being banned, Haz had an average 400 live viewers and Vaush had 600. Those people are not really leftists and I don't think I would consider them to be leftist streamers.
These are some top streamers that do political coverage that I like. There are some more that I like that have far less live viewers. I've found around 40 twitch streamers who talk about leftist politics and have between 10 to 100 average live viewers.
Average Live viewers
33000 HasanAbi - Hasan "America Deserved 9/11" Piker, News Coverage
2200 Central_Committee - Mike from PA, DSA organizer
944 Keffals - Transgender activist
480 LivAgar - Liv talks about political theory and memes
330 TheSerfsTV - News Coverage and Politics
280 chapotraphouse - Obligatory. Mostly chapo FYM crew watching 'dudes rock' type videos. Sometimes Matt Christman rants. Sometimes Felix playing fortnite.
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