“The movement have now deflated tyres on around 9,000 SUVs in cities across the world since March, striking continuously, and look set to surpass their goal of 10,000 SUVs deflated by Christmas,” the statement added.
The group has said its aim is “to make it impossible to own an SUV in the world’s urban areas”, condemning the vehicles as “unnecessary ‘luxury emissions’, flaunted by the wealthy, that are a climate disaster, cause air pollution and make our roads more dangerous”.
lol, lmao
Not really sure how to feel about this one. While the "this is going to push people away" argument is pretty typical libshit, I have a really hard time imagining how this is going to do anything but piss off anyone who isn't extremely invested in the cause. And yes I know this is a thing Andreas Malm talked about, I loved that book but I was skeptical of this tactic when he was discussing it too. Am I being dumb here?
I don't think you're being dumb, but you're definitely being a :LIB:
Is this action going to help their cause? Nah probably not. Should we care if it's going to "push people away?" Definitely not. They're doing more than I am sitting here posting on this website.
Well, it has been demonstrated to reduce the purchase of new SUV's in an area experiencing frequent tyre deflations. It objectively reduces CO2 emissions, so I'll say it's a good thing.
Not doubting you but I would love a source on that that I could spread around.
I'm incredibly skeptical of that claim. General deterrence likely doesn't work even when you throw people in prison, but it's supposed to work when the consequence is occasional tire deflation?
How many people are even aware of this?
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I think it might not be people directly worried about tire deflation, that simply won't ever happen enough for people to realistically worry about it. But the message going along with it being spread, is probably making people think about whether they actually need an SUV before buying one. Some people will be outraged when they hear about tire deflations happening, if they do anything they might purchase some type of locking device to go over their air valve. Others will have the idea of SUVs causing emissions reinforced in their mind.
So if it actually is reducing purchases, I'd say it's a good propaganda campaign.
Tbh people are angry enough that it's made much wider news than I expected the few times it's happened, but yeah the prison comparison is a strong point.
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Compare it to speeding tickets, then. How well do they keep most people from speeding?
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Tons of people speed all the time. Going 5 over in the U.S. is taken for granted even though there are tons of "I got a ticket for 3 over" stories out there. In plenty of places you'll get passed doing 10-15 over.
It's reddit-tier pedantry to treat this as if it is some wholly unique thing that has zero comparisons anywhere else. The only time people pretend reasoning by analogy is some foreign concept is when every comparison brought up calls what they're saying into question.
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It doesn't matter where the incentive comes from -- the state or some political group.
Either way, if you drive in a certain manner (too fast or in an SUV) you run some risk of a minor bad outcome (a ticket or a flat). Most people don't take risks like this too seriously if there is any appeal whatsoever to doing what they want.
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Every little bit helps, I guess, but the skepticism a lot of people here have for this is precisely because they don't belive little stuff like this is at all meaningful.
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A bad idea is a bad idea whether you have a better one or not. If I tell people to shit in their hat to protest climate change you don't need a better idea to call that nonsense.
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Comparing throwing people that are addicted to drugs into prison instead of giving them access to healthcare to people deflating car tires is in no way a “strong point”.
I don't think that's really the comparison.
I read about it in "How to Blow up a Pipeline" by Andreas Malm. We had the book club in /c/literature cover it back in august. He specifically mentions efforts by tire deflators in Sweden, and looks at the rate of SUV purchase following their efforts in 2007 compared to other nations. The swedes bought significantly fewer.
It objectively reduces CO2 emissions. End of story.
Gonna need to hit a lot more than 600 SUV's to make a meaningful dent, and you won't get the numbers to do that if you can't get people on your side. This comes across to the majority of people like weird crank shit, and therefore actively harms the movement's ability to gain an effective mass.
Good thing they’ve done 9,000 and counting.
And it’s not just putting them out of commission for a bit that causes the reduction, sales of SUVs in affected areas drop dramatically.