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  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    I'm not. It's essentially a confused belief that the working class as a whole is reactionary, instead of being divided into factions with the major camps being reflections of our political system of two fucking loud and annoying factions of liberal-conservative with the faction having the overwhelming majority being generally apolitical, and working off of said belief to tail the maga movement to somehow (I forget the word, an example would be: To undermine threats to the status quo, Capitalism takes revolutionary movements then it <Blank> and commodifies them in order to integrate them into the status quo and disarm them of their revolutionary capabilities) the maga movement and flip it onto its head and turn it into a communist movement.

    my hypothesis is that they're of the belief that because China in it's revolution and current status has utilized an alliance with their national bourgeoise and petite bourgeoise, that the path they followed could be utilized by the american communist movement as well.

    EDIT: thank you @Budwig_v_1337hoven the word was 'Co-opt'

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      What lack of theory does to a motherfucker. I don't get the USian impulse to think the working class is only made up of reactionary middle aged white men who work in manufacturing factories that barely exist in the US anymore

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah, its an insanely gendered idea of "working class" as "man in hard hat work." Completely erases most of the working class

          • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Reminds me of when chuds used to photoshop Trump in a hardhat with grease on his face. They have such a romantic idea of "work" that's totally divorced from reality. Which is all rich because Trump's base are people who own jet ski dealerships and have never done manual labor in their life, they just love the aesthetic.

      • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        working class is only made up of reactionary middle aged white men

        They do make up a chunk of it. I would know since I get the privilage of listening to either the hottest of takes or the wildest of takes out of them every day.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Oh yeah they exist. But for some reason they're the only ones considered "working class." People in the US completely erase POC, women, immigrants, young people, as well as, other kinds of work like service industry, retail, etc.

          :fidel-salute: braver than the troops enduring takes that hot comrade

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            I also do think it's attributed to the working environment you find yourself in. It's quite possible that a lot of these infra-dweebs work in places where reactionary european-americans work and experience the class struggle in a rather monochrome way.

            Much like how a lack of exposure to diversity leads mee-maw and pawp-pawp to think every korean-american came from north Korea or literally anyone that speaks Spanish or Portuguese is from Mexico instead of just being normal people like them, I think these infradorks experience something similar and haven't experienced the class struggle beyond their own narrow perspective.

      • jkfjfhkdfgdfb [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        oversized pickup truck = working class

        no pickup truck = liberal elite

    • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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      2 years ago

      to tail the maga movement to somehow (I forget the word

      its literally Tailism lol. gotta follow the 'masses' (always the reactionary quarters of the working class somehow), not guide & educate them to genuine class consciousness. by some alchemy leaning on the consciousness already cultivated by the reactionary ruling class in !sub-sets! of the working class, the "communists" will be swept into power instead of the reactionaries who actually embody the ideology they're paying lipservice to

      e: theres a very fine line between tailism and relying on the people outside of the party structure, tailism excuses the reactionary segments/beliefs of the people on the basis of their economic status, whereas vanguardism looks to and engages with the liberatory instincts & interests of the people to gain insight into what ought to be done

    • The_Walkening [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Capitalism takes revolutionary movements then it <Blank> and commodifies them in order to integrate them into the status quo and disarm them of their revolutionary capabilities) the maga movement and flip it onto its head and turn it into a communist movement.

      Is it recuperation?

      • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        I think it's similar but not quite. I'll probably smack myself over the head and call myself a dumb duck when I do remember