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  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't think this grift is hooking people from the right to turn left, it's hooking people who are left-curious and turning them right

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It's not turning people left that I'm interested in, it's diluting the negative feelings people have to the word "communism" that interests me.

      If the right starts using the word communism in a way that is completely divorced from what communism actually is but has the effect of making a bunch of the right no longer so hard to discuss the topic with then there is a positive to take from this.

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Right, but I don't think there's any situation where the right is seeing or caring what haz says. This is only being seen by left-curious or left leaning people.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          I see what you mean now yeah. What I'm getting at is if they succeed in larping this into right wing use. Dark Biden style.

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            It would be good if that's possible, like if hinkle or haz (lol, say that without chuckling) were genuinely trying to do that. I don't really think that's what these people are trying to do, though - they're not about any movement that isn't about themselves. Fingers crossed literally any good comes from it either way!

            • Awoo [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              The other danger with this is that they end up conflating fascism and communism in the eyes of liberals that ends up making it functionally harder to turn left-leaning liberals if they've been burned by hearing about these chucklefucks first.

              The anti-tankie ""anarchists"" who spend all their time punching left aren't helping by going around and telling people that these people are real communists and represent what tankies are. I say that not with sectarianism in mind but because I don't really consider that crowd actually anarchist, not because I have an issue with anarchists.

              • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                I think, or hope, that the saving grace here is that absolutely nobody knows who the fuck haz or hinkle are beyond a small set of twitter or streaming people. Same with the twitter/reddit anarchists who are just libs wearing a black and red hat, I hope.