i do think much of the anti-"tankie" BS that's spreading so exponentially is because of these pat-soc guys. maybe we can just saddle them with the tankie label, and when they inevitably implode they'll take it with them. and don't worry it's not like communism can be any more discredited esp among the left. we may eventually need a new ideological label. but hey when you are at the bottom only way is up!