The only reason to get mad at someone calling you a bad leftist is if you think it might be true. People will absolutely prey on your insecurity to make themselves feel like their chronic posting habit is praxis. The solution is to not be insecure. Be humble, do honest self-critique. Don't let lonely people work out their frustrations on you. There is a difference between pipe-lining and emotional blackmail.
That same user in that thread harassed me in a different comm earlier last month, refused to disengage and misgendered me. Then I got banned instead of her. Then I had to appeal with like 10 people backing me up to get it reversed.
So why do these users hold such sway to get away with harassment time and time again? Why do the victims of harassment get banned instead of the harassers in both these cases with this user?
Why is harassment not policed by admins if it is a sitewide rule?
Why do you say to discuss this unilateral change in c/userunion then remove all the posts from one side of the discussion and lock the comm?
What is actually going on here?
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I don't know who you're talking about though I will say you were unbanned not because you appealed "with like 10 people" backing you up, you were unbanned because it was a bad call that we reversed
Harassment is policed by admins, that is not what I said. Admins don't have the ability to view community reports, only community moderators see those.
People have already discussed it. A few threads devolved into misinformation/concern-trolling which is why no more posts about this are allowed.
This is nothing but stirring drama again. We are not going to allow harassment and we will remove it like we remove all other harassment.
And no offense Ella, you're a mod of c/vegan: Why didn't you or Kanna do anything about Catherine_Steward's super aggressive and inappropriate behavior toward's Poison_Ivy under this post, and instead removed a bunch of of Ivy's comments, even though Catherine told Ivy "fuck you", "Shut the fuck up you carnist apologist piece of shit", "Go fuck yourself, you piece of shit.", "Examine your carnist brainworms asshole" and "Nice ableism you piece of shit."?
Is that acceptable behavior?
:jesus-christ:
This doesn't even include the multiple references to my post afterwards on that comm that has been used as a lightning rod to instigate more drama.
Tbf, Kanna themselves jumped in and participated in the super aggressive behavior, so an objective arbitrator wouldn't be possible regardless.
Lmao they are removing the rest of your comments in that thread instead of taking down Catherine’s toxic ones
Disappointing but not surprising, I expected worse.
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Yeah I'm the one in the wrong for pointing out someone's ableism, and not the person being ableist. It's almost like reactionaries always show their true colors when pushed, and that I was right the whole time because when it came down to it, Ivy started throwing around ableist bullshit.
Her saying a mildly problematic line ("Go to therapy") after you had already directly insulted her several times doesn't retroactively make all that abuse you piled on her okay. Overall you acted very hostile and inappropriately with her. Combined with other behavior you've had with certain other users, you deserve some sort of punishment for it.
Don't bother replying, I know how you get and am not interested.
im vewy sowwy, next time i will go "hey there friend, it appears you've done a heckin ableism. maybe try not doing that next time?"
lmao
Again, You're acting like you only started hurling insults after she said that, when by that point you had already said the 4 statements before "nice ableism you piece of shit".
Overall you are not the victim of that interaction even tho you act like it.
You're acting like ivy did not begin with that first comment by insulting us
Nowhere in her post did she call you anything even close to warranting the vile responses you gave her. At worst she said some vegan users (Didn't even mention your name or hint at you specifically) could be annoying in how they went about things.
That didn't warrant your very 1st reply to be "fuck you", or proceeding to call her a piece of shit multiple times. Any other user likely would've been at the very least reprimanded for hostility. You majorly overreacted.
When someone tells you that your advocacy for oppressed groups is "annoying," fuck you is an appropriate response. That's how I'd respond to anyone saying something similar about racism or feminism.
Justify your behavior all you want, you weren't being a hero to anyone but yourself.
Disengaging.
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If you were actually a licensed mental health professional, you would recognize that this is an extremely inappropriate thing to say to someone you don't know on the internet because you disagreed with them in an internet argument. I will be very disappointed if the mods let you get away with doubling down on this ableist bullshit.
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As I said before:
I don't see every thread posted to this site. I already devote enough time here
Fair enough, tho in that case why didn't Kanna do anything about that? She doesn't have an excuse.
I don't know, I'm not Kanna?
Seriously this is getting absurd. We don't get to everything because we don't see everything.
You're an admin. You've been informed, and linked to clear evidence of, bad behavior and a mod silently (Edit: And not-so-silently, as has been pointed out) encouraging it. I don't think you're helpless to do anything about it.
Not sure its so silent if that mod is also separately referring to the targeted user as a "pick me".
Also it doesnt seem like so much "misinfo" to speculate that certain kinds of users have different threshholds for what breaking harrassment and hostility rules means when an admin does get links to current and past examples of it, then talks a bunch of stuff about time and attention being limited, then goes back to removing other posts for concern trolling and misinfo(at least according to the mod log time stamps, if these are faulty then shit, sorry i guess).
Comparing the linked users behavior to other users who have gotten reprimands like bans for hostility, its pretty absurd that nothing has been done aside from removing comments, for the most part recently only for either not disengaging or a blanket "inappropriate".
Also speaking of silently encouraging, mods decided to return to the locked and done with thread and the only action taken was to remove the post by the person that got harrassed(which if they had done so from the start would have avoided all of this). Dont think Ive seen a toxic atmosphere like that in any other comm.
I haven’t even received any form of feedback or response to the inquiry I sent to them personally.
All I’m getting is that on this website you are allowed to be as aggressive and confrontational as you want even to the point of harassment so long as you post on c/vegan or belong to a wrecker clique of the same 5-6 people who desperately need to log off
Thats really the only reasonable conclusion to make when encountering any of this shit, if its gonna be like this the least they could do would be to stop bullshitting and deflecting about it and instead just spell it out in the rules that its gonna be this way from now on.
I’m just going to report any harassment I see on sight, and disengage every time they try some shit
Looks like reporting won’t be enough if you are in the wrong comm because admins don’t see reports. So if you are in a comm controlled by certain mods then you will be banned and harassed further
Admins are apparently ok with this arrangement
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You could've at least discouraged her from personally getting involved in the harassment, and then subsequently referring to my now-deleted post in multiple threads afterwards as a lightning rod to create more drama.
I’m sorry but I don’t understand the distinction here. If someone reports a comment that is harassing them, would admins see it or not?
Oh. People. They have discussed it. Guess that settles it.
Ok then remove the harassment in the example I linked you if you are serious about it, the community mods are neglecting their role so it is up to site admins to step in to deal with the harassment. Why’s it still up?
https://hexbear.net/post/221486/comment/2820611
Admins would not see it
The thread is locked and over now. We are already spread thin as a team, like I've said, we all have our own lives outside of this site
Seems like a bit of an oversight if you are supposed to be policing it then?
Seems like there’s one small group of people in particular making it harder for you than it needs to be
Do you understand why it's this way? Obviously if we could enable this feature we would, but we can't, because it was built that way. It is a structural problem with the site's codebase that we would love to change but can't because we don't have much of a dev team right now. Stop your concern trolling and disengage with me, this has gone on long enough.
the admins should be well aware of catherine_steward telling me I should be killed because I messaged CARCOSA about it two days ago and they said they'd share it with the team discussion and it's wild seeing that same person at the center of this discussion for an entirely different set of hostile interactions I gotta tell you
mod log of discussion where I'm guilty of being mildly annoying but was then told I should be killed. "slave owners should be killed, that means you too chud"
bonus "I hope the admins ban me for this"
very frustrated watching all this
I did not know this. Does that mean that if there's a community report on c/urbanism that only @ultraviolet, @Eco, and I can see it?
Yes
Very good to know. Is there a way to report stuff to sitemods if we need something to be taken down more quickly?
Mod chat on Element
I do not know how to do this sadly
There are instructions for how to sign up to Element somewhere, I will send them to you when I find them
Thank you!
Element information
Element is a messaging app that lets you talk to people over the Matrix protocol.
To get started, check out this link, where you can choose to either download Element for your platform or, if on a computer, open it in a browser ("Launch Element Web").
The instructions that follow are for the desktop application and the web application, but the process is similar on all apps:
matrix.orgtochapo.chat. This is completely optional; users who sign up with amatrix.orgusername can still talk to people withchapo.chatusername. (Note: It ischapo.chat, nothexbear.net. Also, registrations aren't always open onchapo.chat; if they're not, just create an account onmatrix.org)You can reach out to Ella via Matrix or me via Matrix to get invited to mod chat
I will probably not do this right now, but it's good info to have. Thank you!