Any talk by carnists about how "Well, if only you weren't so rude" is a smokescreen. Merely describing our views is met with thought-terminating cliches and accusations of wrecking, both of which get much more highly upvoted than our own comments.
Even if (as a lot of users have been claiming) the recent vegan posts were the result of wreckers, the response by the majority of the userbase has been so much more alienating than those original posts could be. The events of a year and a half ago are a lot less important to me than what I'm seeing today.
And what I'm seeing today is that Hexbear is about as vegan-friendly of a site as Reddit is: the movement is siloed within its own comm, has to regularly community ban people who wander in to snipe at it, and is met with extreme hostility anytime it ventures out into the main site.
Imagine saying something not even remotely inflammatory like
And then the response is
What did BeamBrain do besides state an objective fact? Animals are commodofied and suffering in masses in huge part because of the pursuit of profit. Why the fuck do you think factory farms exist in the first place that put these animals in deplorable cramped conditions? And that's without even mentioning that any animal wants to live and shouldn't be killed for human consumption in the first place when it's easily avoidable, factory farm or small farm or otherwise, but I digress. What an utterly gratuitous, dismissive, crybaby reply to his comment that doesn't even attempt to have an honest discussion about the substance of the comment, there's just no intellectual curiosity at all.
And that's one of the tamer "confrontational" comments you'll see on this site! For fuck's sake. I'm not even typically a confrontational vegan but that fucking pissed me off.
Edit: Oh wait, you're BeamBrain lmao, my b
Don't forget the highly upvoted comment equivocating veganism with Zionism
Yeah, that one's a real doozy, absolute brainworms.
Also, the OP of that thread urging vegans to respect omnis choosing to eat animal products
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The "respect my choices" rhetoric is so funny to me, because carnists sure as hell don't respect the choices of vegans. I wasn't ever consulted on whether I wanted my tax money to go to $38B of subsidies a year so they can have their cheap meat.
And for all the talk that veganism is expensive or a privileged "diet", if anything, the opposite is true. A big reason why meat and dairy is so hugely subsidized to begin with is because it would be completely out of the price range of "consumers" if it wasn't. Which makes sense because think about all of the land, water, grain, etc. that goes into feeding and raising cows for dairy and meat, for instance. That is expensive as fuck and a hugely inefficient use of resources. It makes way more sense to cut out the middleman (i.e. livestock) and just give that food and water directly to people instead.
Hell, meat products still don't particularly strike me as cheap, especially in the face of rising inflation right now. Omnis don't realize that the US government subsidizes meat and dairy to the tune of $38 billion annually. In comparison, fruits and vegetables receive a $17 million in subsidies, or only 0.04% of what meat and dairy gets. That plays a huge role in the perception that veganism is more expensive than an omni diet. The same study says "a pound of hamburger will cost $30 without any government subsidies". Tell me, what is the real luxury here?
And besides, I'm pretty sure that "developing" countries eat far less meat and dairy products than western countries because plant-based foods are much more likely to be in their price range.
It would cost only $20 billion to end all homelessness in the US
But have you considered what would happen if we eliminated meat/dairy subsidies, freed all the cows, and repurposed all the money toward ending human homelessness instead? Congrats, now you just made millions of cows homeless. Checkmate, vegoons!
It's true, that's definitely how it would shake out, transient cows
Liberals and conservatives (:same-picture: ) would be like "we gotta moo-ve the homeless cow encampments from our city to keep us safe, we can't have our children stepping in the cow dung all over the streets!"
They're just going mask off that all they will ever see animals as is food. No matter what they say, they don't care about animals