I see this kind of like slave owners yelling "No ethical consumption under capitalism! I'm not the one procuring the slaves, I'm just the hapless consumer"
nono, I figured it would take less time to articulate in a more lib sounding manner than writing out a thesis. The material conditions that will make veganism necessary are arriving. Regardless movements start with actual people, even if the material conditions haven't arrived yet. Being in the imperial core, they will arrive to us last.
For the global south to be habitable tomorrow, we need communism and veganism today.
Almost every single person on this website would agree that industrial meat farming is a fucking horror show that needs to be abolished.
How do you think antagonizing people that agree with the above statement is a good way to start this movement?
It is OK to be frustrated that the movement seems to have little momentum. All leftists feel that. However in a space such as this one which is non-sectarian, many of us would like to not lash out at each other over this frustration.
What is happening is your particular movement is lashing out at other leftists and saying pretty shitty things. This makes people not want to engage with you and lessens the authority of your voice.
I'm responding to a very specific comment, I fully understand that there is actually vegan theory out there that has important things to say and I have read some of it.
This has nothing to do with what I was initially responding to.
This is the stupidest fucking argument, oh my god. Here's a similar situation, for comparison.
Right now, as I type, there are concentration camps for migrants on the southern border of the US. I find this morally abhorrent. I'm in the US (as are many of us here, because, unfortunately, the US is the current global hegemon). I have never, not once, seen anyone on hexbear say that I (and the rest of the Americans here) don't actually care about the migrants in camps on our southern border.
But suddenly if a vegan believes paying people to torture and kill animals is wrong, then the only way to prove we care is to do extremely illegal, very dangerous acts of sabotage on factory farms.
That's a pretty massive double standard right there.
You understand there are structural factors at play right????
Like this is exactly like the libs who brow beat the poor's for not having Tesla lmfao
The cows are getting slaughtered so long as capitalists own industrial meat factories
Yelling on the Internet and telling leftists they are worthless is less than fucking useless against that
I see this kind of like slave owners yelling "No ethical consumption under capitalism! I'm not the one procuring the slaves, I'm just the hapless consumer"
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Oh my fucking God shut the fuck up
Mine eyes have seen the coming of the banning of the lard
I mean ok if that's where the sites at
I'm just riffing on civil war songs.
Oh my bad
lol ok this one got me.
I'm just saying, if you want to fight in the vegan wars, stop eating meat and start bullying libs.
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Creating the conditions necessary to elect the vegan governing body. Change starts with you and me!
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nono, I figured it would take less time to articulate in a more lib sounding manner than writing out a thesis. The material conditions that will make veganism necessary are arriving. Regardless movements start with actual people, even if the material conditions haven't arrived yet. Being in the imperial core, they will arrive to us last.
For the global south to be habitable tomorrow, we need communism and veganism today.
Almost every single person on this website would agree that industrial meat farming is a fucking horror show that needs to be abolished.
How do you think antagonizing people that agree with the above statement is a good way to start this movement?
It is OK to be frustrated that the movement seems to have little momentum. All leftists feel that. However in a space such as this one which is non-sectarian, many of us would like to not lash out at each other over this frustration.
What is happening is your particular movement is lashing out at other leftists and saying pretty shitty things. This makes people not want to engage with you and lessens the authority of your voice.
ACAB includes tone police
Cool response
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Have you read any vegan marxist theory? Doesn't seem like it
If your theory is if we all just make marginal changes individually and hold hands to enact change then it's fucking stupid
So your answer is no, you haven't
Here: https://hexbear.net/post/221913
I'm responding to a very specific comment, I fully understand that there is actually vegan theory out there that has important things to say and I have read some of it.
This has nothing to do with what I was initially responding to.
Okay
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Lmao hell yeah. If that's actually how they feel then let's see it. Wholeheartedly agree with this post
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What the fuck do you know about what vegans are doing? It's clear you know less than nothing
This is the stupidest fucking argument, oh my god. Here's a similar situation, for comparison.
Right now, as I type, there are concentration camps for migrants on the southern border of the US. I find this morally abhorrent. I'm in the US (as are many of us here, because, unfortunately, the US is the current global hegemon). I have never, not once, seen anyone on hexbear say that I (and the rest of the Americans here) don't actually care about the migrants in camps on our southern border.
But suddenly if a vegan believes paying people to torture and kill animals is wrong, then the only way to prove we care is to do extremely illegal, very dangerous acts of sabotage on factory farms.
That's a pretty massive double standard right there.
Stop paying people to torture and kill animals.
Go vegan.
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