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(The popcorn is buttered or not depending on the viewer of this post)
Edit: what have I done :oh-shit:
I do not know what the third vegan struggle session will be over, but the fourth will be nutritional yeast and crickets - Albert Einstein
It’s super entertaining to have drama with literally no stakes whatsoever.
Going into the exploding comment sections feels like entering a mosh pit
Literally two people one of whom wished for the death of another user and is still out there unbanned complaining about how unfair the mods have been
literally turning into the joker over this I swear to christ :joker-shopping:
i watch them argue and i laugh, knowing that cultured meat at large scale is already expanding at an extreme rate in china and will likely overtake traditional meat production in a decade or so with the benefit of extremely low land use for how many calories are produced while harming no animals.
oh youre saying no society has ever been fully vegan? :some-controversy:
cheer for comrades in china solving ethical issues with meat consumption
can't cheer for comrades in china because they're not comrades, they're larpers due to meat consumption
I thought we had an emoji for this but uhhh button press meme :sweat:
No shit? Outstanding news. This saves China a lot of valuable arable land that can be better used for more beneficial projects.
Another win for scientific socialism.
you can get a fancy lab grown chicken meal in hong kong restaurants for 20 bucks now. its here already just its slow as fuck in the USA because of entrenched capitalists. in china however theyre always looking for ways to make food cheaper, safer, and more efficient.
Well, China basically invented the concept of imitation meat, so I suppose it's only fitting China would be spearheading lab grown meat as well.
I feel like I don't hear much news about the latest happenings about lab-grown meat. Is this actually something that seems legit to have at scale across the world within that time frame, or is this just something that's gonna be promised regularly for decades and always behind schedule? I feel like that shit happens all the time with technological advancements, idk.
Also, the promise of lab-grown meat should not preclude someone who wants to make more ethical choices from going vegan. Tbh, I've seen so many comments over the years from people who seem reachable who concede that they want to make more ethical choices, but then follow that up with "but I'll just wait for lab-grown meat", and that's a real bummer.
However, I still very much welcome lab-grown meat because it would be vastly more ethical than real meat and hopefully get rid of the scourge of animal agriculture/factory farming for good.
I think someone posted the link to this a long time here. Idk if it got deleted.
Also I keep seeing people say VCJ got banned, but it’s currently still up. I just checked it. Am I missing something?
Struggle Session 1
Struggle Session 2: Struggle Harder
Struggle Session with a Vengence
I mean, there are some 1/2 days old accounts posting wrecker shit here but who knows
Everyone who tells me I'm wrong about something is an outside agitator
Lib moment
i'm just confused. is the pizza emoji vegan? should I have spoiler tagged it and included a content note? 🍕
Honestly that's a good catch. I'm sure we can get it removed in the near future.
🥪 apparently this is a sandwich but i can't tell what's on it and it probably varies by OS
honey is bad because beekeeping under capitalism is bad for the local species the bees displace and because it's abusive to the bees somehow. Scavenging honey is bad because it's theft
shrimp are just sea bugs and as a liberal I insist you eat the bugs.
can't believe bees complain about the free housing, healthcare, being moved from food source to food source, the dang ol bees get better treatment than we do :yes-honey-left:
we jest, but there are actually ecological concerns with industrialized honey production but as usual the real problem is capitalism and we could absolutely do beekeeping in a harmonious way that some vegans would probably still be mad about but reasonable ones would be fine with.
i'm :10000-com: okay with ending the worst aspects of animal exploitation but there's always things like eggs and honey where I find it equitable to end the capitalist model of production and then it's more like a symbiotic relationship and vegans seem really extreme for their refusal to consider it
like "eat the bug" meme posts, chickens will eat those bugs and fuckin' love it and make eggs for us. Oh they're bred to make too many eggs and it's bad for their bones? umm maybe don't do that? breed them to produce fewer eggs? Even if it's a much reduced number it's still better to me than "eat those bugs, peasant." Oh you 'have to' grind up male chicks? uhhh maybe don't do that? 1) they only do that now because males take a few weeks longer to get to a weight where the meat is worth it, 2) there's methods of in-ovo sexing currently available. But oh woops it costs more to do that, which is why it isn't more wide spread. I've never heard an argument against eggs that is more involved than "these problems caused by capitalism..."
breed them to produce fewer eggs?
The red junglefowl from which chickens descend produces a handful of eggs yearly. it is nothing more than delusion to imagine that you could somehow make a perfectly fair solution wherein you exploit them for the tiny amount of eggs they naturally produce without it being fucked up somewhere along the line.
Not even getting into the fact that exploiting them in that way is simply wrong on its own
your right just destroy all coops and let the foxes and coyotes sort it out
edit:
In many areas, red junglefowl breed during the dry portion of the year, typically winter or spring. This is true in parts of India, Nepal, Thailand, Vietnam, and Laos.[10][16][17][26][27][28] However, year-round breeding by red junglefowl has been documented in palm-oil plantations in Malaysia[21] and also may occur elsewhere.[27] During the laying period, red junglefowl females lay an egg every day
literally an entire season of an egg per day, prior to selective breeding
issues from too many eggs is a result of calcium deficiency in diet which is A Solvable Problem and saying it's "impossible" to have a reasonable amount of egg production without it being "fucked up somewhere along the line" is just not rooted in reality
I'm done, don't respond to me
Carnists do any amount of research before shooting off about how great it is to exploit sentient beings challenge
nothing I said about eggs is wrong or out of date so maybe you need to read more :^]
Breeding is eugenics and it's fucking gross. No amount of forced labor is okay. So long as we exploit nonhumans, we will construct ideologies to devalue them.
I don't know how to convince you to care about someone other than yourself
you will literally do all you can to think of any and every argument against a positive human-animal relationship
The relationship is oppressive in material reality. It doesn't matter how nice you paint it.
I'm done arguing with you
of all the omnis making increasingly desperate arguments on these threads in unbelievably transparent attempts to shut up their own consciences screaming at them, youre the one im most convinced is gonna go vegan eventually
it may not be for a while, and before you get there youre probably gonna do an extra-smug "haha i showed that vegan loser that said id turn vegan, im loving meat more than ever" phase that youll cringe at later, but its gonna happen im calling it
What should be done? Legitimately curious, because I'd assumed the strategy was to repair the harm done by eugenics and let the animals be free generations later. Won't the species die out if put back in the wild?
Animal ag isn't going to end overnight, I don't think. What's most likely to happen is that it will phase out over time. That means animals will unfortunately still get slaughtered at a fraction of their life. But if we want to begin ending production, we'll necessarily have to phase out forced artificial insemination and breeding, which means there will be less and less of these animals born. In this way, their population will decline. Those who aren't slaughtered (though it is likely most still will be) can be rescued and given medical treatment. Layer hens, for instance, can be given birth control so they don't lay so often. And what eggs they do lay can be fed back to them (this is a natural behavior for hens).
Some species will die out. Turkeys raised for slaughter grow so big, they literally cannot have sex. The only way these turkeys breed is through artificial insemination.
But our goal should not be to wipe out domesticated animals simply because they are often dependent or disabled. Rather, we should care for them to the best of our ability.
Sunaura Taylor wrote a really good book you might be interested in about the intersection of disability and animal rights. Give it a read if you get the chance:
Beasts of Burden (I can find you other formats too if epub doesn't work for you)
can’t believe bees complain about the free housing, healthcare, being moved from food source to food source, the dang ol bees get better treatment than we do
I used to volunteer at an apiary and go to industry conferences.
Bees are exploited because they are chattel. Their health is actually put in jeopardy because we breed them with low genetic diversity (certain traits make them easier to manage, like low aggression) and so they are more susceptible to colony collapse and varroa mites and such because of our interference.
Bees make their own housing, but we often deconstruct it for our own material benefit, like stealing their wax. They gather their own food, honey and pollen, which we steal for ourselves and replace with much less nutritious sugar water, which also leaves them weaker. Stealing their stores makes it harder for them to survive the winter as well.
Being moved is incredibly traumatic for bees. Many of them die in transportation. They get stressed about being in a strange places they don't recognize. Places they are shipped to pollinate very often have pesticides. Huge numbers of bees do not survive these chemicals. It changes depending on the year, but some beekeepers lose over half their hives, thousands to millions of bees.
Bees are sentient creatures. They do not deserve to be exploited by us.
It should be removed because of the olives more than anything fuxking hate oloves
those are olives? mine looks like american style pepperoni, no idea if it's vegan or not. tbh i don't even know that when i have a real pizza
On my os theres like a strip of mozzerella?? And like two olive slices for some reason
Use the spoiler tag or something idk
cw:cw food
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My emoji keyboard doesn't have the sandwich one ;-;
I stopped visiting this site so much after the last one. I come back to check. I see again.
It was actually fine in the time between. Some people have just decided to stir it up again in the last couple days.
I got banned laughing at the last struggle session
Veganism will win in the end but not because of people screaming about murdering animals
It's reddit tier cringe for everyone involved including stuff like this imo.
I personally am bored of it. If people could find something else to struggle over that would be great
I once tried to start a struggle session against people from Boston and their silly accents, but it didn't catch on for whatever reason. Maybe another shot will get more push behind it and we can finally force those damn Bostonians to say their Rs correctly.
There's an old joke I like
You want to hear a Bostonian say a Hard R?
Tell them a black family moved in down the street
It's actually because bostonians control Hexbear dot net. Have you ever seen a post here saying how awful boston is? Exactly. :very-smart:
I’ve never met a person from Boston that I’ve liked. They’re all awful. Cursed city.
We never got to struggle about kobe dying because the sub got shut down we could just go back to that
What other asinine arguments do we got I wasn't paying that close of attention back on reddit lmao
