I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.

I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.

Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.

The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.

On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)

    • Kaplya
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      7 months ago

      I sincerely hope it doesn’t turn into one. This is not some stupid outdoor cat debate, but one that concerns the fate of leftism in America. I’m trying to absorb as many viewpoints from the responses as possible to consider my position.

        • davel [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          I mean that some struggle sessions are elucidating at just the right inflection point.

          • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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            7 months ago

            So basically, when one has already been feeling like moving over to Grad for a while, that threads like these can help to make clear why exactly one wants to do that? Is that what you're trying to say?

            • davel [he/him]
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              7 months ago

              Yup. This is a dialectical concept that Marx & Engels incorporated into dialectical materialism: Transformation of quantity into quality and vice versa

              All change has a quantitative aspect, that is, an aspect of mere increase or decrease which does not alter the nature of that which changes. But quantitative change, increase or decrease, cannot go on indefinitely. At a certain point it always leads to a qualitative change; and at that critical point, the qualitative change takes place relatively suddenly.

              • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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                7 months ago

                Indeed, dialectical materialism is probably the number one best and most important idea I have ever learned in my life.