I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.

I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.

Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.

The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.

On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)

  • Kaplya
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    9 months ago

    Thanks for the response. I should point out that my position is not that the Democrats will stop fascism, rather that whether it is worthwhile for the left to placate the more “moderate” side of capital to delay fascism, even if it’s just by a few years. Whether it is worth buying some more time to organize. There is no illusion that the Dems will ever be on our side. Even Stalin desperately made an attempt to delay Nazi invasion on the USSR with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, a move that likely saved the USSR from destruction.

    (I don’t have the time to respond to everyone in this thread and I’m not looking for a debate, just so you know that all the comments and points made by everyone here are considered.)

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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      9 months ago

      it is worthwhile for the left to placate the more “moderate” side of capital to delay fascism, even if it’s just by a few years.

      I used to think that but not anymore. The dems aren't going to do anything other than rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.

      Their "Restore Roe" stuff is performative bullshit. The only way they can actually do that is if they first make some kind of huge judicial change (pack the court or whatever) and then pass a law. If they leave things as they are - the GOP justices will simply say a Roe law is unconstitutional and kill. One final thing - the dem's border bill was a gift to the GOP and an illustration that the dems are worse than useless. When they get freaked out about polling - they'll always lurch to the right in a hopeless effort at getting right-wingers to vote for them.