I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.
I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.
I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.
Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.
The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.
On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.
(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)
you should be so scared of project 2025 that you question why the republican's only mainstream opponents don't treat them like the terrorists they are, and instead constantly call for bipartisanship and adopt their policies as their own to compete for the title of 'Most Racist'.
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lathe time: even if Genocide Joe wins the election, the democrats will invite Trump to assume the presidency (or some other office of power like the Parliamentarian) using some kind of domestic unrest or geopolitical event as pretext
first as tragedy and all that
It's be a good Onion bit maybe, but I think the Democrats will keep milking Trump as the devil incarnate until the end of time. They don't need him to implement the fascism. They're more than capable of doing it on their own. In fact, they get far less opposition that way.
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They already brought Trump in to work on the border bill.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-biden-collide-split-screen-trips-border-immigration-spotlight-rcna140899
I see so much handwringing about stuff like project 2025 but less than zero pushback. Either they don't actually believe it's dangerous or they're lazy.
Even OP says trump must be stopped at all costs, but the party that is supposed to be doing that, are shutting down any effective protest and siding with the fascists at every turn. What do these people even mean by "any means necessary"?
It reminds me of George Bush's "project for a new American century". No pushback, and our lives became worse because of it.
The same as they mean when they say that occupied people are allowed to resist their oppressor by any means possible – quietly and ineffectually, by any means that will not rock the boat but which will signal their virtue.
They need to stop Trump by any means necessary.
Except stopping giving bombs to Isreal, or doing anything about workers protections, or doing anything about the environment, or giving people stimulus money, or vocally supporting abortion rights, universal Healthcare, insider trading ban, election finance reform, breaking up monopolies, opposing the police state....
Basically they're willing to have YOU do whatever is necessary to stop Trump.
Protesting isn't allowed.
Haranguing them in public isn't allowed.
General strikes, hell, normal strikes aren't allowed.
Protest voting in midterms isn't allowed.
The only thing you can do is
for who they tell you to