Ok, I'm confused, how does banning abortion help men's interests? What does it accomplish for men? No really, I am a man and I would like to know how they think they are helping me by banning abortion.
Forcing women to give birth is more likely to keep them out of the workforce and more dependent on men. Conservative men also see this as a way to wedge in a "return to tradition" where womens rights are slowly eroded to make them more subservient and easier to extort for house labour and sex. Also, the fewer freedoms women have, the more likely they are to settle for a misogynist. There are a lot of angry, abusive men out there that are more than willing to strip women of rights so that feminism no longer gives women the self-respect to turn down assholes.
Weird, contrary to what the hogs claim. It kinda makes men seem like a parasitic gender (I do not believe men are parasitic, but I am pointing out that misogynists seem to be overly reliant on women despite having nothing but disdain for them.)
If one day another Valerie Solanas rises up, they will only have themselves to blame.
Patriarchal capitalism does pretty well by turning absolutely vital labor like child rearing into an unpaid duty of women, and by paying absolute shit for essential jobs in nursing, child care, cleaning, education etc. that are considered feminine and are overwhelmingly held by women. This is gendered exploitation, it is very much parasitism, it just works on a societal instead of an individual level. And when we talk about the gender pay gap, some galaxy brains insist that these inequalities have to be taken out of the equation because the resulting inequality may also affect the few men who work part-time for their kids, who do these "women's jobs" etc.
ofc when it comes to household chores and how much emotional labor each partner does, a lot of heterosexual relationships are also lopsided on the individual level, with the man parasitizing on the labor of his wife / gf. It usually doesn't work like a 1950s marriage anymore, but there is a tendency towards women doing more chores, offering more emotional support, being pressured into sexual availability etc. A society that still raises girls to be pleasant and compliant and dilligent at all costs and that still lionizes entitled, narcisssistic, emotionally stunted behavior in men just leads to such outcomes. I know this will upset a lot of dudes on here, i've noticed there's very little awareness of these dynamics among men because it's so normalized. But yes, most men are parasites, and i've done my share of selfish, parasitic things when i still presented as masc, too. Patriarchy doesn't magically not mindfuck you because you publicly denounce it, it is much more insidious than that.
Gender is a class relation. We are all coralled into gendered classes. Women are raised to be servants, we are still treated as a reward men get for fulfilling capitalist demands. Because being a desirable man equals being a highly functional part of the capitalist machinery, you become an entrepreneurial alpha and in return you get your trophy wife that you can use to comfort yourself and make the hard life of being a lone wolf more bearable. And that comforting, that's unpaid labor. Unpaid labor is the very definition of class parasitism. All of that has softened up, become less rigid over the last 50, 60 years, but it has never fundamentally changed, it has just become easier to deny. This is liberal feminism's failure, it has ultimately only served to increase the reserve army of labor while maintaining the core of women's exploitation, and that failure will always be inevitable as long as we do not tackle the externalization of child rearing costs, which has only ever been done in socialist states which all did more for the emancipation of women than the white westoid feminist can ever dream of.
Yup, my favorite callback to people asking for peaceful protests like with MLK (which is a lie), is "what you mean is you want protestors to get hurt, not the cops".
I don't see that happening any time soon. Everyone just shrugged and let the Roe overthrow happened. Hundreds of millions of people knew exactly where the SCOTUS judges lived but all of them are still alive.
Thing is it'll take the dems dropping the ball on abortion rights this midterms to begin radicalizing to show the need for public actions (and maybe an adventurism or two in minecraft...)
These are "abortion abolishionists", they believe any woman who gets an abortion should be charged with homicide and prosecuted to the full extent of that. So just another way for these dudes to get their jollies by torturing women.
Makes it vastly harder for women to become independent or leave their abusive husbands. Remember these guys are basically sadists who want to completely dominate and control everyone "lesser" than them in the social hierarchy. Abortion is probably the single most important tool in protecting women's autonomy, so they absolutely despise it.
Ok, I'm confused, how does banning abortion help men's interests? What does it accomplish for men? No really, I am a man and I would like to know how they think they are helping me by banning abortion.
Forcing women to give birth is more likely to keep them out of the workforce and more dependent on men. Conservative men also see this as a way to wedge in a "return to tradition" where womens rights are slowly eroded to make them more subservient and easier to extort for house labour and sex. Also, the fewer freedoms women have, the more likely they are to settle for a misogynist. There are a lot of angry, abusive men out there that are more than willing to strip women of rights so that feminism no longer gives women the self-respect to turn down assholes.
Weird, contrary to what the hogs claim. It kinda makes men seem like a parasitic gender (I do not believe men are parasitic, but I am pointing out that misogynists seem to be overly reliant on women despite having nothing but disdain for them.)
If one day another Valerie Solanas rises up, they will only have themselves to blame.
Patriarchal capitalism does pretty well by turning absolutely vital labor like child rearing into an unpaid duty of women, and by paying absolute shit for essential jobs in nursing, child care, cleaning, education etc. that are considered feminine and are overwhelmingly held by women. This is gendered exploitation, it is very much parasitism, it just works on a societal instead of an individual level. And when we talk about the gender pay gap, some galaxy brains insist that these inequalities have to be taken out of the equation because the resulting inequality may also affect the few men who work part-time for their kids, who do these "women's jobs" etc.
ofc when it comes to household chores and how much emotional labor each partner does, a lot of heterosexual relationships are also lopsided on the individual level, with the man parasitizing on the labor of his wife / gf. It usually doesn't work like a 1950s marriage anymore, but there is a tendency towards women doing more chores, offering more emotional support, being pressured into sexual availability etc. A society that still raises girls to be pleasant and compliant and dilligent at all costs and that still lionizes entitled, narcisssistic, emotionally stunted behavior in men just leads to such outcomes. I know this will upset a lot of dudes on here, i've noticed there's very little awareness of these dynamics among men because it's so normalized. But yes, most men are parasites, and i've done my share of selfish, parasitic things when i still presented as masc, too. Patriarchy doesn't magically not mindfuck you because you publicly denounce it, it is much more insidious than that.
Gender is a class relation. We are all coralled into gendered classes. Women are raised to be servants, we are still treated as a reward men get for fulfilling capitalist demands. Because being a desirable man equals being a highly functional part of the capitalist machinery, you become an entrepreneurial alpha and in return you get your trophy wife that you can use to comfort yourself and make the hard life of being a lone wolf more bearable. And that comforting, that's unpaid labor. Unpaid labor is the very definition of class parasitism. All of that has softened up, become less rigid over the last 50, 60 years, but it has never fundamentally changed, it has just become easier to deny. This is liberal feminism's failure, it has ultimately only served to increase the reserve army of labor while maintaining the core of women's exploitation, and that failure will always be inevitable as long as we do not tackle the externalization of child rearing costs, which has only ever been done in socialist states which all did more for the emancipation of women than the white westoid feminist can ever dream of.
…You’re right, I and a lot of dudes have some mental decolonization to do. Like, more than we thought.
Honestly hoping we see a return to militant suffragettes ready to wreck shit and make hogs piss themselves in fear
Most people think women were peacefully allowed to have the right vote/abortion/etc
There was no 'allowing' about it, women fought and died for those rights. Many suffragettes were (CW: sexual assult)
spoiler
beaten, raped, demonised, arrested and killed
same as any struggle for freedom.
Yup, my favorite callback to people asking for peaceful protests like with MLK (which is a lie), is "what you mean is you want protestors to get hurt, not the cops".
My favorite suffragette fact is that UK suffragettes invented the mail bomb as a concept.
When do the history books cease being re-written?
I don't see that happening any time soon. Everyone just shrugged and let the Roe overthrow happened. Hundreds of millions of people knew exactly where the SCOTUS judges lived but all of them are still alive.
Thing is it'll take the dems dropping the ball on abortion rights this midterms to begin radicalizing to show the need for public actions (and maybe an adventurism or two in minecraft...)
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Tell Andy Warhol he can keep his fame
What they claim.
Good answer :order-of-lenin:
Really shows that the only way to truly ensures women's right is with gunpoint :based-department:
These are "abortion abolishionists", they believe any woman who gets an abortion should be charged with homicide and prosecuted to the full extent of that. So just another way for these dudes to get their jollies by torturing women.
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Likewise it coincides with the culture war around demonizing divorce, alimony, and family court.
banning abortion means you get to pass on your seed! :frothingfash:
Makes it vastly harder for women to become independent or leave their abusive husbands. Remember these guys are basically sadists who want to completely dominate and control everyone "lesser" than them in the social hierarchy. Abortion is probably the single most important tool in protecting women's autonomy, so they absolutely despise it.
In the case where a man impregnates a woman and he wants the child and she doesn't