Can people do emotional labour for me an explain why China good and why China not bad?

I know all countries are going to have bad things going on, but why is China especially good and why is it not especially bad?

I really do want to believe that China good, and the following stuff isn't supposed to be an excuse for me to post "China bad" stuff here. Things I'm specifically worried about are Uyghur genocide, Mongolian cultural genocide, and prison labour. All I know about those is from American documentaries that are probably anti-Chinese propaganda, but they were really convincing and had video of the bad stuff. I work with a lot of Chinese people, and only one of them says that China is bad, and I believe him the least. He had a ridiculous story about people eating his dog and he looooves capitalism.

I know the US and Canada and probably all other places have had this same stuff and are just better at hiding it or excusing it now, so I'm starting out at a point where China seems no better or worse than any other country.

  • QuickEveryonePanic [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Could anybody say something about this upposed "social credit" thing? I have only heard vague elusions to it that sound very made up

    • Tittyskittles [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I just find it rich when Americans mention it while we have credit scores and magazines full of mugshots

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Don't forget that we've given something like a third of the American workforce criminal records and we openly discriminate against people with criminal records in employment, education, housing, and public assistance.

    • BabyBottleCrib [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      From a relatively mainstream source:

      https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/

      • Vayeate [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        That entire article is detailing what virtually anyone would think of when you say "social credit score". And then it claims there isn't one. The fuck

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          China’s party-state is collecting a vast amount of information on its citizens, and its social credit system and other developments internally and overseas raise many serious concerns. But contrary to the mainstream media narrative on this, Chinese authorities are not assigning a single score that will determine every aspect of every citizen’s life—at least not yet.

          My big takeaways were:

          1. Even if there is talk of something called a "social credit score," it doesn't exist yet (even though the infrastructure one would require is being built).
          2. There's a lot of confusion because they do have regular credit scores, ways of publishing names of lawbreakers, and private consumer programs that look at more than what a regular credit score looks at.

          From just that article it looks a lot like what the U.S. has. That's still bad (although it could easily be run more fairly than the U.S. system), but it's not as Orwellian as right-wingers make it out to be.