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Russia Kidnapping Ukrainian Children, AP Report Claims.
Removed by modThousands of children have been found in the basements of war-torn cities like Mariupol and at orphanages in the Russian-backed separatist territories of Donbas. They include those whose parents were killed by Russian shelling as well as others in institutions or with foster families, known as “children of the state.”
Russia claims that these children don’t have parents or guardians to look after them, or that they can’t be reached. But the AP found that officials have deported Ukrainian children to Russia or Russian-held territories without consent, lied to them that they weren’t wanted by their parents, used them for propaganda, and given them Russian families and citizenship.
The investigation is the most extensive to date on the grab of Ukrainian children, and the first to follow the process all the way to those already growing up in Russia. The AP drew from dozens of interviews with parents, children and officials in both Ukraine and Russia; emails and letters; Russian documents and Russian state media.
Whether or not they have parents, raising the children of war in another country or culture can be a marker of genocide, an attempt to erase the very identity of an enemy nation.
Even where parents are dead, Rapp said, their children must be sheltered, fostered or adopted in Ukraine rather than deported to Russia.
Russian law prohibits the adoption of foreign children. But in May, Putin signed a decree making it easier for Russia to adopt and give citizenship to Ukrainian children without parental care — and harder for Ukraine and surviving relatives to win them back.
Russia also has prepared a register of suitable Russian families for Ukrainian children, and pays them for each child who gets citizenship — up to $1,000 for those with disabilities. It holds summer camps for Ukrainian orphans, offers “patriotic education” classes and even runs a hotline to pair Russian families with children from Donbas.
“It is absolutely a terrible story,” said Petro Andryushchenko, an adviser to the Mariupol mayor, who claims hundreds of children were taken from that city alone. “We don’t know if our children have an official parent or (stepparents) or something else because they are forcibly disappeared by Russian troops.”
Russia portrays its adoption of Ukrainian children as an act of generosity that gives new homes and medical resources to helpless minors. Russian state media shows local officials hugging and kissing them and handing them Russian passports.
It’s very hard to pin down the exact number of Ukrainian children deported to Russia — Ukrainian officials claim nearly 8,000. Russia hasn’t given an overall number, but officials regularly announce the arrival of Ukrainian orphans in Russian military planes.
In March, Russian children’s rights ombudswoman Maria Lvova-Belova said more than 1,000 children from Ukraine were in Russia. Over the summer, she said 120 Russian families had applied for guardianship, and more than 130 Ukrainian children had received Russian citizenship. Many more have come since, including a batch of 234 in early October.
She acknowledged that at first, a group of 30 children brought to Russia from the basements of Mariupol defiantly sang the Ukrainian national anthem and shouted, “Glory to Ukraine!” But now, she said, their criticism has been “transformed into a love for Russia,” and she herself has taken one in, a teenager.
The children of Mariupol aren’t the first Russia has been accused of stealing from Ukraine.
In 2014, after Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula, more than 80 children from Luhansk were stopped at checkpoints and abducted. Ukraine sued, and the European Court of Human Rights found the children were taken into Russia “without medical support or the necessary paperwork.” The children were returned to Ukraine before a final decision.
Kateryna Rashevska, a human rights defender, said she knows of about 30 Ukrainian children from Crimea adopted by Russians under a program known as Train of Hope. Now, she said, some of those children might well be Russian soldiers. Since 2015, the Young Army Cadets national movement has trained youth in Crimea and Russia for potential recruitment into the military.
This time around, at least 96 children have been returned to Ukraine since March after negotiations. But Ukrainian officials have tracked down the identities of thousands more in Russia, and the names of many others simply aren’t published.
oh, you mean, russian speaking areas. weird how the russians are taking care of russian kids :thinking-about-it:
What? Did you even read the article?
Kids, many who have families are taken from these areas and sent to Russia to be adopted by Russian families. You don't think that's fucked up? What the fuck?
legit i'm trying to find anything about any of this that is independently sourced in other languages and it is a word for word translation from state.gov and timesofisrael.com
not saying its impossible, but you should also consider that it isnt exactly easy to pass people through front lines to family members on the other side between two warring states. raising someone as ukrainian or russian is a nebulous concept at best as well.
You're just taking this at face value without any further investigation? Their evidence seems to be "trust us bro".
Needs to be more thoroughly investigated.
It seems the Russians are actually just putting children in foster homes and really wherever they can, but the west is mistranslating it and labeling it as "russian abduction"
Yeah that's pretty much what I'm expecting but obviously some investigation is worthwhile. There's genuinely some worthwhile concern to have for children that may slip through the cracks in what is a monumental opportunity for anyone that wishes to do real harm. The disorganisation and potential for missing children is still quite high even with the best of intentions of the Russian state in taking these actions to protect children from a warzone.
It seems extremely disorganized but the minister leading the effort in a relatively new office seems to be doing a lot of legwork. Like, every day she is physically with a new group of orphans personally finding them some place to go that isn't just a bomb shelter near the front lines. Definitely more than what most politicians in the west would do, I give her that. Shes a capitalist politician of course.
of course, as stated, russia has a huge corruption problem, and kids may be taken by actual bad parties. But it isn't some government conspiracy to do this, or raise them as soldiers, or do this sort of thing. It makes me soothed to know that at the very least, even western media had to admit that the last time this exact thing happened, and like you said: all the children were returned. If even they can't put dampeners on this, then they really did what they claim.
There should be further protection to make sure all children are where they are supposed to be. This is Post-soviet Russia after all, and this is a far larger conflict. I think that goes without saying though.
Oh, so the last time they kidnapped children, they had to return them because Ukraine literally sued them and went to authorities like the European Court of Human Rights. Wow, that really proves Russia cares about the kids.
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I'd say if an invading force bombs a city, kills its people, then takes the surviving children away into their country and gives them away to strangers, then yeah, that is abduction.
what is your opinion on the ukraine war, because it sounds very... sus. Your framing is lacking nuance, and aligns with western narratives. That city was full of fucking nazis I think eliminating them and their fortress is completely and utterly justified in every single case.
and again, it is an evacuation. And by the account of the person you linked, it is a sane one, trying to get kids fostered and housed to escape the war that is currently going on. If they can't house them with relatives, yes it is okay to try to temporarily house them with others. I'm not supporting some sort of cultural erasure, I'm supporting sane ideas to get children out of warzones, which is what's happening.
One of the claims of the article is that Russia is denying returning the vast majority of those kids to Ukraine when Ukraine demands it. That is definitely kidnapping and wrong, no?
On the Ukraine war, it should be ended as soon as possible, with whatever negotiations are needed so that the deaths are stopped and people can be safe. US and the West will fight Russia using Ukraine till literally every Ukrainian is dead and Russia isn't going grow a moral backbone and back down either. That will only lead to more death and destruction.
I posted some summaries of what the Russian minister for all this is doing and saying below
I’ll give that a read.
did you read it? because I've had to mention it twice now.
Yeah I'm responding to comments as I see them, not in any set order.
Russia literally admitted to taking the kids and framed it as a good thing. If this is a lie, then it should be extremely easy to prove, no?
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Never said that. They have a lot of sus shit even in this article. But that doesn't take away from the fact that children are being taken from their homes (which were bombed) into Russia and given to Russian families. Russia literally admits it. They just say its a good thing.
https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/
Oh wow, what a great source. Let me look into it a bit further.
Huh, they have an article on their home page called Facts about Covid. I wonder what they are:
If that wasn't enough, they literally believe that the MOON LANDING WAS A HOAX .
Like, sure, western media is bad and biased and used for propaganda. But the alternative is not to fucking read literal trash rags.
I could also go onto every single site you might send to me about literally anything, find two things that are dismissable (and not at all what someone actually sent you), and then use that to dismiss anything genuinely accurate.
You have literally dodged engaging with any of the content you have been sent, you're not participating in good faith.
ive tried responding to every fucking comment as best i can. im only one person. not to mention, this post got fucking removed and so did half my comments.
Because you're not participating in good faith and you're being a massive and annoying liberal. You dodge any content that you don't like by dismissing sources instead of actually critically engaging with content.
You have handed over your ability to judge to liberal media through this attitude you have of "reliable" sources. You decide that content is dismissable unless it comes from some recognisable media owned by billionaires. Your entire concept of reliability is built not by any notion of real reliability but instead by marketing, by recognisability, by how much you have seen a source previously used by liberals.
Get this notion of reliable out of your head. Judge content by the content. Western media makes you extremely manipulatable by filling your brain with this idea of reliable sources so that you become trained to just trust whatever they say instead of judging content based on content. They do it to make you listen to them without resistance while acting in a resisting and sceptical way to anything you've not seen before.
You should judge content on merit, on your own actual ability to critically judge what the content says, but instead it is painfully obvious that you do the liberal thing and have no ability to judge or engage with anything by yourself.
oh like so many people did here, in this very fucking thread?
Also, one of the key markers of judging if a source is reliable or not is by seeing how they report on issues you do know about. if their reporting on those issues is correct, you can afford some level of trust that they would be okay on issues you dont know about.
in the case of your article, i read through it. i didn't "attack" it because its obvious and makes sense. i then went to the site to see what other articles they have, thinking they might be a genuine source i could use/follow. That is when i saw the anti-covid and moon landing hoax bs. which i posted. dont act like you knew all that was there. you didnt do your fucking research.
No, you CAN'T afford some level of trust. Not at all. Watch from 0:00 to 6:10 but to be honest the whole thing is worth your time.
We do not afford trust to figures we on the left recognise. Zizek? Fuck him. Man's a giant fucking wanker recently and everyone on this site will tell you so because everyone here judges content on merit not on where it's from. His output lately has been pure unfiltered shit. Chomsky? We usually don't like him, a lot of his older stuff is absolute shit, but his content recently has been absolutely excellent.
Then fucking say that so that people don't think they're utterly wasting their time engaging with you! You've avoided any kind of sense of agreement or mutuality throughout the thread. If you engaged with people and agreed with any of the content they actually send to you then you'd find them feeling like their time is not being so massively wasted because it demonstrates that you are receptive in some way or another.
Ok that video is very scary. Jesus.
The idea that the very method I used to judge sources is what they’re using to spread propaganda. Plant true stories, especially in areas where people might know things, to get them to trust you, then plant fake stuff. That’s seriously fucked. If that’s the case then how do you even judge anything , how do you find out what is actually real.
Edit - combine that with the article you posted before and it paints a picture of literally thousands of CIA agents all over the world, choosing which stories to cover and which to suppress, how to spin things, and straight up fabricating stuff, then sending it to all the major publications. All the time. Constantly. Daily. As news.
And that's the CIA when they were less embedded, less powerful and less influential than they are today.
When we say things like Jessica Ashooh being a CIA plant at reddit we sound insane but, when you start learning about how the CIA has always operated, you realise it's really not a joke.
Trust absolutely nothing and ALWAYS judge content on its own merit.
One of the first things you should learn to do is seek primary sources, for example when it comes to USSR related content we seek out primary sources in the soviet archives instead of relying on secondary and tertiary sources. Media are usually a tertiary source reporting on a secondary source reporting on a primary source. You have to follow the chain, and if it doesn't go back to a primary source then MORE INVESTIGATION is needed to find primary sources that confirm or debunk a given issue.
Yes. We live in that world today. Always seek primary sources.
Its a painful reminder that they still hold most of the cards, and can pull a billion people around like puppets whenever they want.
It is, but I feel it changing. Left media grows stronger while consciousness of this bullshit is developing in more and more people.
Eventually this person will fully develop, like many others. And go on to help others develop this understanding.
:sankara-shining: Never stop explaining
:sankara-salute: great motto tbh
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How do we know this is not another yanks lie? They’ve been lying in this war, hiding and omitting information.
It could be. It could be lies, or exaggeration or something.
But one of the article's claims is literal Russian state agents admitting to taking children from war areas in Ukraine and raising them as Russian and framing that as a good thing. So Russia isn't denying the acts.
Another claim is how Russia did something back in Crimea but had to return those children. If that's not true, then that should be very easy to disprove. But I haven't seen that either.
If these facts are proven to be false, then that would obviously cloud doubt on the entire article.
Worth noting these areas are all legally considered Russia in the eyes of the Russian Federation's law now. They aren't leaving Ukraine in their legal system now, they're moving from Russia to another part of Russia.
If some sort of issue with this happened before and the children were then later returned it suggests there's something more to the story here than just something evil and sinister.
The report is new but the incidents they mentioned happened way earlier (May). Back then Russia couldn't claim they were taking Russian kids from one part of Russia to another. Putin even signed a decree making it easier to give Ukranian orphans Russian citizenship. I posted it.
So, they shouldn’t take them out from war area when they do the evacuation corridors? Like, we know that most of the east Ukrainian, which ethnically Russian fled to Russia. This obvious with how close those two nation are during Soviet and Khrushchev literally transfer the territory to Ukraine
They shouldn't raise them as Russian children, giving them to Russian families, and telling them lies about how their parents abandoned them, then refusing to cooperate with Ukranian authorities in giving them back. Those are the claims.
The Russian claim
The yanks claim differently. The Russian has been shady, but the Yanks has been Goebell level with their propaganda
Even then, if the kids are Ukranian, which no one disputes, shouldn't they be in Ukraine? Whether thats with families if they have them or in a foster care etc, as is appropriate, but not in Russia being given to strangers?