A bit early to report civilian casualties, particularly given the habit of military agencies preferring to underreport or report civilians as troops well past the point they're outed as liars.
I remember the '06 Lancet report that upped the official Iraqi death toll by an order of magnitude.
report civilians as troops well past the point they’re outed as liars
it's also confused by Ukrainian officials going on the news and announcing that every civilian in a town is armed and planning on fighting Russian soldiers. Which is a war crime
The lancet report on Iraq was done by survey and its methodology was seriously flawed when investigated by other medical groups. Its on par with :zenz: methodology
If you look at the reports from the UN on Iraq and compare, it was roughly 2x the civilian deaths in the first 6 months and Iraq's population as half. Also UN inspectors are way more welcome in Ukraine than Iraq and tech for reporting civilian casualties (cellphones and drones) is 20 years more advanced.
The lancet report on Iraq was done by survey and its methodology was seriously flawed when investigated by other medical groups.
The functional difference between Lancet and Zenz is that China didn't turn Xinjiang into an active war zone.
Crediting mass displacement and disappearance to an invasion and brutal occupation is something radically different than counterterrorism and urbanization.
If you look at the reports from the UN on Iraq and compare, it was roughly 2x the civilian deaths in the first 6 months and Iraq’s population as half. Also UN inspectors are way more welcome in Ukraine than Iraq and tech for reporting civilian casualties (cellphones and drones) is 20 years more advanced.
That doesn't solve the problem of internal displacement and disappearance, which can't generate useful data in the short term.
The mid/long term effects of disease, malnutrition, crime, etc won't reveal themselves for years.
This is only the beginning, and there's very little Westerners can (or would) do to prevent what follows the kind of manufactured horror of war.
The functional difference between Lancet and Zenz is that China didn’t turn Xinjiang into an active war zone.
The lancet followed a war it didn't start one.
Crediting mass displacement and disappearance to an invasion and brutal occupation is something radically different than counterterrorism and urbanization.
I'm not talking about content or effects. I'm saying they are both using flawed survey methodology and extrapolation to make a narrative that suites your agenda.
That doesn’t solve the problem of internal displacement and disappearance, which can’t generate useful data in the short term.
The mid/long term effects of disease, malnutrition, crime, etc won’t reveal themselves for years.
This is only the beginning, and there’s very little Westerners can (or would) do to prevent what follows the kind of manufactured horror of war.
Yes. There will be knock on effects and yes the rate of death in Iraq was higher than the direct casualties of the war but it is irrelevant. The direct consequences of the Iraq invasion were 4x as deadly as Russia's invasion in Ukraine.
The knock on effects will be different because the situations are different but I am sure Russia will do everything in its power to limit those as well. The massive amount of indirect deaths due to displacement and damaged infrastructure are solely on the hands of the west and their Ukrainian Puppets as they are the ones who pushed Russia to destroy the Ukrainian infrastructure. It will be the wests failure to assist Ukraine rebuilding after the war that will doom the people of Ukraine.
I would assume the life expectancy in Donbas will rise dramatically under Russia. I cant find any data about what life expectancy was in Crimea before it joined Russia but between 2014 and 2019 (when corona hit) life expectancy jumped 2.7%.
A bit early to report civilian casualties, particularly given the habit of military agencies preferring to underreport or report civilians as troops well past the point they're outed as liars.
I remember the '06 Lancet report that upped the official Iraqi death toll by an order of magnitude.
it's also confused by Ukrainian officials going on the news and announcing that every civilian in a town is armed and planning on fighting Russian soldiers. Which is a war crime
The lancet report on Iraq was done by survey and its methodology was seriously flawed when investigated by other medical groups. Its on par with :zenz: methodology
If you look at the reports from the UN on Iraq and compare, it was roughly 2x the civilian deaths in the first 6 months and Iraq's population as half. Also UN inspectors are way more welcome in Ukraine than Iraq and tech for reporting civilian casualties (cellphones and drones) is 20 years more advanced.
The functional difference between Lancet and Zenz is that China didn't turn Xinjiang into an active war zone.
Crediting mass displacement and disappearance to an invasion and brutal occupation is something radically different than counterterrorism and urbanization.
That doesn't solve the problem of internal displacement and disappearance, which can't generate useful data in the short term.
The mid/long term effects of disease, malnutrition, crime, etc won't reveal themselves for years.
This is only the beginning, and there's very little Westerners can (or would) do to prevent what follows the kind of manufactured horror of war.
I'm not talking about content or effects. I'm saying they are both using flawed survey methodology and extrapolation to make a narrative that suites your agenda.
Yes. There will be knock on effects and yes the rate of death in Iraq was higher than the direct casualties of the war but it is irrelevant. The direct consequences of the Iraq invasion were 4x as deadly as Russia's invasion in Ukraine.
The knock on effects will be different because the situations are different but I am sure Russia will do everything in its power to limit those as well. The massive amount of indirect deaths due to displacement and damaged infrastructure are solely on the hands of the west and their Ukrainian Puppets as they are the ones who pushed Russia to destroy the Ukrainian infrastructure. It will be the wests failure to assist Ukraine rebuilding after the war that will doom the people of Ukraine.
I would assume the life expectancy in Donbas will rise dramatically under Russia. I cant find any data about what life expectancy was in Crimea before it joined Russia but between 2014 and 2019 (when corona hit) life expectancy jumped 2.7%.