https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/25/house-progressives-russia-diplomacy-00063338

    • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Who exactly do they think Ukrainian forces were shelling for 8 years? :blocky-wat:

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        My guess is that they think it's a geopolitical version of the whole "these protestors are outside agitators who came from a different state to cause anarchocommunistfascist chaos" thing that various people said during the BLM protests. Just flood Crimea or the Donbass with like a hundred thousand Russians and then when The Plan is ready, make them all simultaneously Yearn For Freedom so Russia can go "Ah, fiiiine, we'll help I guess!"

        • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          How do you believe that, look in the mirror, and not realise you're a total fucking crackpot? That's the bit I can never understand on a visceral level.

    • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I encountered this in real life with my brother. I don't think it crossed his mind/was part of acceptable discourse to consider that people involved in a civil war with the Ukranian government for the past 8 years might not really dig the Ukranian government.

    • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I'm interested in knowing to what extent people don't actually care if they're governed out of Moscow or Kiev.