https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/25/house-progressives-russia-diplomacy-00063338
I love that “Russia bad” is a completely baked in premise in this article, not even questioned at all.
It genuinely blows me away how you can't deviate from the line on this war. People act like negotiating would sell Ukraine out, when we don't know that.
Ukraine tried to negotiate in April. The UK and (presumably) US intervened and stopped them from doing so.
ukraine cant win the war without us weapons and help and maybe also cant win with that
"The United States is also a one-party state, but with typical American extravagance, they have two of them."
What, again?
Toss it with the rest. What was the item where it looked like they might actually oppose something disgusting the party was doing (and have it MATTER), but then they buckled and just voted "present" for the actual important vote, was that Ukraine "lethal aid" or something related to Palestine?
AOC and the Iron Dome
That might have been it, doing a little cursory looking. Sad part is they've buckled so damn much it's hard to know
She like cried while voting present. :visible-disgust:
Then that is definitely the one I'm thinking of.
Also absolutely infuriating.
Those videos of her working in Nigeria for USAID right before the coup are wild.
How do these people imagine the DPR and LPR are going to be reintegrated back into Ukraine? This was going to be impossible even before the Russian intervention.
How do these people imagine the DPR and LPR are going to be reintegrated back into Ukraine?
They don't. The aim of "supporting" Ukraine with arms shipments, nuclear threats and a refusal to negotiate with Putin isn't to have Ukraine win these territories back, the aim is to extend the war as long as possible in hopes of bleeding Russia dry. That bit about the US fighting to the last Ukrainian isn't a bit, it's the actual plan.
No way i'm forgetting that, i see on my bank account at every end of the month how much the generous protection of the American empire costs us lol. And that's even before considering how much of our tax money is dumped into our military now. It's a fucking extortion racket the yanquis are pulling on us. Feel kinda bad for writing this, ofc every single LatAm country gets treated so much worse by them, but it's still completely jokerfying after a lifetime of German conservatives lecturing me on how the AmeriKKKans are actually guaranteeing our treat supply.
Remember how Europeans laughed long and hard when America said pay your fair share for your part of your own defense? Well who's laughing now?
:joker-troll:
They seem to underestimate how heavily armed the Russian Republic is.
"Dee Pee What Now? We have to stop Putler. Ukrainians are begging for Freedom." :grillman:
They don’t give a shit, they will be happy to look the other way as Azov kills half the population
Maybe they'll market this as a way to end the war, and when people complain they'll say we need to be pragmatic and we need to not let perfect be the enemy of the good.
I don't think they've got much of an imagination for it at all. Just another thing we've outsourced to the bureaucracy. Congress only exists to sign (or not sign) the checks.
Who exactly do they think Ukrainian forces were shelling for 8 years? :blocky-wat:
My guess is that they think it's a geopolitical version of the whole "these protestors are outside agitators who came from a different state to cause anarchocommunistfascist chaos" thing that various people said during the BLM protests. Just flood Crimea or the Donbass with like a hundred thousand Russians and then when The Plan is ready, make them all simultaneously Yearn For Freedom so Russia can go "Ah, fiiiine, we'll help I guess!"
How do you believe that, look in the mirror, and not realise you're a total fucking crackpot? That's the bit I can never understand on a visceral level.
I encountered this in real life with my brother. I don't think it crossed his mind/was part of acceptable discourse to consider that people involved in a civil war with the Ukranian government for the past 8 years might not really dig the Ukranian government.
I'm interested in knowing to what extent people don't actually care if they're governed out of Moscow or Kiev.
You know why you can't say "no" to this war in America? Because it's a war to give the dying empire chemotherapy:
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Wrest back some of that falling rate of profit by taking over Russia's gas market
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Balkanize the one country that has more nukes than the USA by putting it in a forever war with its former soviet neighbor
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take advantage of the chaos in the Ukraine to push through more IMF loans with the US as the creditor and Ukraine as the debtor
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take advantage of the energy and food insecurity in Europe
More importantly if the war goes long enough it will allow the americans to canibalize european industry.
Honestly IMO this is the real objective. Europe was getting pretty uppity and thinking they could make their own policies with Russia and China. Big Uncle Sam came in and punished them hard by destroying Nordstream pipelines. Now European industry (unlike the USA they still have industry) is going away, permanently.
On one hand USA bad. On the other hand, it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of despicable rats.
I guess I kind of knew the Belt and Road wasn't just gonna go unchallenged. :deeper-sadness:
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Absolutely bloodthirsty
Honestly surprised they haven't summoned some sort of ancient murder demon yet
I bought a tiny jar of fancy cornichons to eat when he drops and I might have to just eat them and buy a jar with a newer date. That was five years ago. Infernal man refuses to die.
They didn't even take an anti war stance, just suggested negotiations while still supporting the war. Spineless
I guess WW3 and “limited” nuclear exchange are coming early this year :yes-honey-left: , now that there is absolutely no institutional resistance to it. They will never try to deliver another statement like this again, because they will only remember the painful lesson they learned when they retracted it and upset everyone equally. The only way to resist nuclear war is now going to be organizing an antiwar movement in your community (to any yankee scum reading this, yes, that means you) and hoping that it will actually be able to grow before these demented politicians finally push the big extinction button
Senator Paul Wellstone (and the others on his plane) was killed for opposing the invasion of Iraq and questioning the 9/11 narrative. Wonder if some similar threats were made in this case.
Senator Paul Wellstone
I googled him and read that he was a progressive who was anti war and had the FBI following him before dying in a plane crash
:biden-alert: nothing to see here jack
Things just happen sometimes though, and some of those things are plane crashes, bullets bouncing funny, and people committing suicide by multiple gunshots to the back of the head. Just because some of those things happened to high ranking officials critical of their government doesn't mean that things don't just happen.
After all it's not like one of those things that never happen, like an elderly man with failing health needing assistance at long events.
