yup, struggle session time

edit: no one is right, everyone is wrong :^)

edit 2: this post is actually dedicated to Amy Goodman, please stop trying to sound cool grandma

  • gay [any]
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    4 years ago

    Inclusiveness of everyone. Including nonbinary people. Rejection of Spanish colonialism, we have the right to change the language we speak regardless of what a foreign Royal institution says.

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      But why x of all letters instead of e? E is like, right there.

      • gay [any]
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        It allows you to keep the original spelling almost intact. There are rules for e in Spanish.

        Example:

        Los chicos.

        Using the e, you have to change the c to a qu digraph. Like this:

        Les chiques.

        But the x doesn't have this rules, all you need to know is that you read it like an e. Like this:

        Lxs chicxs.

        Furthermore, some masculine words use the letter e. You can accept this and more on, or use the x.

        Los autores.

        Les autores.

        Lxs autorxs.

        Add to this the fact that, aesthetically, the x "crosses out" the gendered part of the word. It drives the message very clearly.

        We're trying our best really. Both options are valid and serve the same purpose.

        • SerLava [he/him]
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          Oh that makes sense, writing X and pronouncing it E seems a lot better than saying "ekis" all the time. I think the pronunciation matters way more than the symbol.

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          You are very close to having convinced me, I just have a few questions as I was always convinced that this stuff only happened with the letter X because there was a concurrent trend which involved an increased use of the phrase folx instead of folks within English.

          How do LGBT communities within Latin American countries approach this topic. Ive always just gone with the "e" or refer to everything in the plural masculine.

          • gay [any]
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            4 years ago

            I'm not sure I understand this question. While yes, gender inclusive language is essential to include nonbinary people in our language, that's not the only movement that advocates for it. It's as much of a feminist issue as it is an LGBT (particularly trans) issue.

            But LGBT communities deal with this very similarly than other communities... the concept of more than one gender gets ridiculed by transphobes, LGBT bootlickers pride themselves on being "not one of those crazy ones ruining our language" AND other people are strong advocates for it.

            Like I said, there isn't much difference between the letters. They're meant to be pronounced the same. The aesthetics and the ease of use of the x also include the confusion the letter gives to ignorant people ("how do I read this?") and screen readers. The way the e looks so natural in our language also includes the few masculine forms and the few ortographic tweaks you need to make. I choose the e for the accesibility reasons.

            You should try it out, at least when you're writing and interacting with others online. It wasn't till I got to a space where gender inclusive language was welcomed that I felt comfortable using it. It's not as bad as it sounds and when you get practice it comes naturally. And you don't get married to it, you can use it in certain situations where you're safe and avoid it in others. I'm not asking you to out yourself as a leftist LGBT supporter in front of a reactionary boss.

      • gay [any]
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        Tell me, is misgendering nonbinary people worth your discomfort in changing one letter? Is including every gender in your discussions ineffective?

        People associate it with wokelibs, who cares. People also associate it with degenerate LGBT people who will "groom children" and feminists who want to kill all straight men. Or crazy people who "believe there are more than two genders".

          • gay [any]
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            4 years ago

            Gender inclusive language proposes to use the x or the e for any term that refers to a group of people of more than one gender or anyone of undefined gender.

            El autor de esta obra es un desconocido.

            Turns into:

            Le autore de esta obra es une desconocide.

            Or

            Lx autorx de esta obra es unx desconocidx.

            Another example.

            Los estudiantes deben estar preparados para el examen

            Turns into:

            Les estudiantes deben estar preparades para el examen.

            Or

            Lxs estudiantes deben estar preparadxs para el examen.

            Gramatical gender of non-human things is irrelevant. It's just another language feature like the number.

      • gay [any]
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        4 years ago

        all it took was them less-than-subtly implying that I’m some sort of reactionary or bigot.

        If you're talking about me, that really wasn't my intention. If that's how it came accross then I'm sorry. I guess I have to phrase things better.

        :/ I can change "your" to "our" if that makes you more comfortable.