Why is the assumption that this was a state actor and not corporate sabotage? Main beneficiary was western oil companies, literally everybody else (Russian and NATO) loses here. These are the same companies that launched decades-long coverup campaign against global warming, they have the tech and motivation here.
because in the west there is no separation between state and corporate actors. the state only continues to exist to be used as an obfuscation of corporate power. the reason the US military and intelligence agencies exist is for when Exxon wants something blown up.
Because capital isn't as unified as you think it is. The state has basically, since the 70s, served only to mitigate the contradictions that arise from competing bourgeois interests and it's starting to fail at that.
I 100% agree and this has been the case for a LONG time (United Fruit Company, Halliburton, etc.) This seems different though because it's hard to see national (national capital) benefit here.
This action really doesn't seem beneficial at all to NATO goals and it's a big escalation risk if concrete NATO involvement can be proven. If anything, it's going to make Russia double-down on controlling Ukraine pipelines. Germany was already onboard with shuttering Nord pipeline so why do it?
I see it more as oil companies going rogue. There was a known recent meetup between Biden and oil execs. I bet the conversation went something like "what the heck - who did this?"
i personally am of the opinion that the current US strategy is to completely decouple eastern and western economies, completely de-industrialize the rest of the west, and reindustrialize the US itself. the nordstream incident is targeted at europe so as to ensure they have no way to save themselves should they become desperate and use the nordstream gas once shit really hits the fan over this winter.
i believe the american bourgeoisie has correctly assessed that their hegemony, and capitalism, is to collapse in the near future without a major war. however, they also correctly assess there will be nothing left to rule over after a war and as such are trying to replicate the economic destruction of the previous world wars without an actual war.
in short they want to replicate the global environment of america's post ww2 boom without a nuclear war.
I had a similar hypothesis like this back in 2019, when it seemed like the looming recession was going to hit like a bag of bricks, when I also thought that even a major depression would not create the conditions necessary, what would the bourgeoisie do to truly liquidate or tamp down on the revolutionary potential?
I then thought of biological and chemical warfare.
Why is the assumption that this was a state actor and not corporate sabotage? Main beneficiary was western oil companies, literally everybody else (Russian and NATO) loses here. These are the same companies that launched decades-long coverup campaign against global warming, they have the tech and motivation here.
because in the west there is no separation between state and corporate actors. the state only continues to exist to be used as an obfuscation of corporate power. the reason the US military and intelligence agencies exist is for when Exxon wants something blown up.
My friend, corporations acting outside of the state is the next iteration of the dystopia. It was only a matter of time.
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Because capital isn't as unified as you think it is. The state has basically, since the 70s, served only to mitigate the contradictions that arise from competing bourgeois interests and it's starting to fail at that.
I 100% agree and this has been the case for a LONG time (United Fruit Company, Halliburton, etc.) This seems different though because it's hard to see national (national capital) benefit here.
This action really doesn't seem beneficial at all to NATO goals and it's a big escalation risk if concrete NATO involvement can be proven. If anything, it's going to make Russia double-down on controlling Ukraine pipelines. Germany was already onboard with shuttering Nord pipeline so why do it?
I see it more as oil companies going rogue. There was a known recent meetup between Biden and oil execs. I bet the conversation went something like "what the heck - who did this?"
i personally am of the opinion that the current US strategy is to completely decouple eastern and western economies, completely de-industrialize the rest of the west, and reindustrialize the US itself. the nordstream incident is targeted at europe so as to ensure they have no way to save themselves should they become desperate and use the nordstream gas once shit really hits the fan over this winter.
i believe the american bourgeoisie has correctly assessed that their hegemony, and capitalism, is to collapse in the near future without a major war. however, they also correctly assess there will be nothing left to rule over after a war and as such are trying to replicate the economic destruction of the previous world wars without an actual war.
in short they want to replicate the global environment of america's post ww2 boom without a nuclear war.
I had a similar hypothesis like this back in 2019, when it seemed like the looming recession was going to hit like a bag of bricks, when I also thought that even a major depression would not create the conditions necessary, what would the bourgeoisie do to truly liquidate or tamp down on the revolutionary potential?
I then thought of biological and chemical warfare.
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Why would a company do it when they can just make the government do it and have the public pay for part of it, and have even less accountability.