I've read the sentence about anarchists ten times and I have no idea WTF he is on about. Btw the nerd's name is Peter Hudis.

Edit: FFS Tankies and anarchists stop shitting on each other here. Take your struggle session elsewhere. You're both my comrades.

      • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        You fell for my trap reported for sectarianism

        JK.

        "Carving out little enclaves of personal freedom" is way underselling it. It's about creating spaces where notions of capitalism are rejected that, if spread, can subvert capitalist institutes as happened multiple times throughout history. In Greece anarchists are clashing with the state for decades. At the end of the 90's/start of the 00's anarchists were at the forefront of the antiglobalist movement.

        It's no use comparing third world liberation movements with first world anarchist ones, since the former a lot of times had state backing, while anarchists - especially in the first world - don't. Anticolonial struggles have much bigger backing regardless of ideology.

        • geikei [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          If spread, can subvert capitalist institutes as happened multiple times throughout history. In Greece anarchists are clashing with the state for decades

          I dont know if Greece isnt a proper example. Despite doing some good work and having greater numbers per capita compared to other countries anarchist clashes and spaces in Greece have neither spread nor subverted any capitalist institutions to any meaningful degree .Their movement and their spaces and projects arent viewed positively by even 0.5% of the Greek population by this point and for decades plus now. Didnt get any boost from the complete colapse of the economy and institutions and at almost any aspect of political organizing and action they are often matched or outpaced in scale or success by combinations of secondary communist and socialist parties , the youth wing of one of the most ossified ML parties on the planet and let alone the party itself . Especialy in Unionism/syndicalism and in anything oustide the 2 Major cities (Athina, Thessaloniki) they are close to nonexistant. They were in the forefront of leftist anti-status quo dissent in the mid to late 90s a but that was mostly a result of the communist movement emerging in the mid-late 70s from 30+ years of state killings, purges,exiles and illegal status comparable to Latam or eastasian nations, having an OK decade and then meeting both the fall of the ussr and a couple of horrible decisions . But anarchists never politicaly capitalized on that beyond solidifying a hold on preexisting enclaves and in niche music and art scenes because of rampant anti-organizationalism beyond street clashes at the time and propaganda of the deed dumbasses everywhere giving a chance for public opinion to rapidly turn against them . I have a lot of friends and even relatives that went through that period both both in the anacrhist and communist left and a lot that still organize in various places

        • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          While I certainly agree with the principle of these spaces and am supportive of anarchist projects as I am socialist ones, I simply cannot see an anarchist movement fomenting revolution in the imperial core. The state would exterminate such a movement long before ever even considering accepting it in any way. The level of collective organization needed to oppose the state in this scenario would go far beyond what anarchists have ever executed, and even that may not be enough.

          I think anarchist spaces are important and can make an immediate difference for individuals benefiting from them, which is huge and actual praxis, but I simply cannot see it as a tool for revolution unless it was part of some sort of united left front.

          • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            They are facing the same kind of oppression as any kind of leftist movement. The FBI went and straight up murdered Fred Hampton. Everyone is vulnerable.

            • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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              2 years ago

              Absolutely, that's why I think collaboration between leftists would be key in any sort of succesful western left movement, not that this guarantees safety from the state in any way. I think there is a lot of strategic potential in collaborating that we tend to overlook due to disagreements on theory of the state.

              • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                Yeah i don't know why this is not even examined, the only "modern" anarchist theorist i saw who engaged in good faith with marxism is Daniel Guerin.

                Though the antiglobalist movement in the early years was successful with having both communists, succdems and anarchists protesting with force against institusions like the WTO as well, that goes to show what happens when leftists are not going at each others throats at least for a few years.

        • star_wraith [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I like this. The transition from feudalism to capitalism took centuries in Europe and the two modes of production lived side by side in various proportions and forms that whole time. Creating those spaces you describe to me actually feels like like buds of socialism developing within the capitalist mode of production.