No idea if you do appeals

I sent this DM to avoid the impression on the part of @destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml that I was trying to publicly accuse them of being an alt just because we had a disagreement. Making it a DM establishes that it's personal banter.

If this is unacceptable, so be it, but 30 days ban for this waters down the definition of harassment a lot.

  • dannoffs [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    Taking a conversation on a forum to the DMs for any reason other than protecting potentially identifiable information is cringe.

    • ivy@lemmy.ml
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      I can see why it would be perceived as an attack, but it's just a nudge like "psst buddy your alt behavior is just as transparent here as on twitter". Am I trashing the guy? No I'm saying he should actually read what he criticizes. I laid out the format for the attacks that make up most of these threads, like dismissing this author based on his introduction during a vlog he did. (Make a nonsensical parallel between something you dislike and another thing you can dig up criticism for and quote it at length without making your own criticism. People use this strategy to avoid discussion of current events, too. They claim something is an inter-imperialist war and then quote Lenin at length as if you can simply transplant analyses themselves from one time to the future instead of performing an analysis building off the methods of people who came before you & developed the science.) That's the kind of stuff you can do while playing HOI4 or Syrian Warfare or whatever. If people want to game and then dip into undialectical flame wars in their spare time that's fine with me, but I don't like dressing it up as this pseudointellectual pageantry for Twitter.

      • dannoffs [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        Yeah, I think you need some time off. Go for a hike or something. I'm going kayaking on Saturday, maybe try something like that?

        • ivy@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          Thinly veiled insult. I do 30 min strength exercise (if you need more than that you're not lifting enough imo) 3x a week and go hiking once a week. Never seen anyone in the fitness comm here discuss routines or anything. Just "motivation" to work out.

          • dannoffs [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            It wasn't veiled at all. I'm saying you're being really fucking weird and need to take time off the internet in general.

    • ivy@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      Oh okay you can see who mods communities in the description. Thanks, that makes sense. The whole modlog and stuff on this software is moderately confusing to me since I mostly use Memmy app for iOS.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    7 months ago

    As someone who thinks Roderic is a pseud, you're kinda overdoing it. Just be glad the Roderic stans mostly hang out in Lemmygrad. The vast majority of people in that thread including me were dunking on him. And as for the alleged sockpuppets, there's a huge burden of proof required to prove accounts are sockpuppets. Just call them stans or shills if they annoy you that much.

    • GodDamnAmercia [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      This person is clearly not having as the kids call it "a normal one" also dismissing people as stans or shills if they annoy you is very funny

    • ivy@lemmy.ml
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      I'm not litigating that, don't worry lol, there's plenty of other evasive tactics going on here to point out that are totally apparent. For instance I don't instantly block everyone who disagrees with me on the Mastodons. However that's because I get satisfaction out of making the liberals there tear their hair out and give up, not any genuine sportsmanship. I just think using sockpuppets is bad for the brain so I put it out there! Everyone should eat more potassium and make sure to go on long hikes in nature and look at distant objects. 🥰 Since someone was so kind to point out I should do that more I am relaying it again.

      Not everyone assumes their comment is going to be tracked down by completely normal stan accounts who were perhaps out backpacking for several days before the recent thread 📝 and turned into a struggle session but I've inserted my 2¢

  • ivy@lemmy.ml
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    @alicirce@lemmygrad.ml @YangJingyu@hexbear.net Lol, you do realize that podcast has telltale artifacts of one of the most popular voice alteration apps, right? You can hear the squeaking. Most people who do that just have an excuse that they're using one because they know people are looking for it. I've already run into people doing this level of sock puppetry before. Check out "Subliminal Jihad" and "Programmed to Chill", most of it is the same guy. Not surprising you immediately use the identity of your alts as a parry, that's no doubt the reason you created these "party members".

    Anyways, whether you're alts or not, and I think you are, this is just as embarrassing to have the whole gang show up on the site to defend him and try to use the gender identity (I didn't even check) of one of the suspicious accounts in question as a shield. My point was the interactions of "Ali Circe" and "Nia Frome" have practically no function other than to promote RedSails. (Very far from what online friendships entail! Well above codependent besties. I have accounts where I'm in a gaggle of furries and it's nowhere near as intense. Mike Judge of Death/Corner was less enthusiastic about retweeting the namesake pod of 'chapo.chat' (which we are on) when he was popping painkillers.) Like I said, self-promotion is a motivation to people even in the absence of a direct financial opportunity, and there is one in the form of donations & sales of materials. Same reason everyone is suspicious of anonymous edits to personal wikipedia pages and they're immediately rolled back by bots 90% of the time. There's just no reason to make it that easy for people.

    As for the rest of my critique of the approach being taken to Hudson's work in Roderic's posts, nobody even approached that. It was just immediate attacks and attempts to control the discussion. I think that speaks for itself. You're not even confident in what was said. @YangJingyu@hexbear.net if you want to turn this into some kind of "debate" I'd start there. All of this online behavior is used to substitute for real work.

    All I got in response was "he's tweeting lots about Hudson, I'm sure he made better arguments there" (he didn't, it's very surface level engagement with his work, fuming at the vlog is the most embarrassing part to me though). Roderic makes numerous claims about the content of Hudson's work which strike me as hilarious having actually read it.

    Saying something reminds you of another argument by Proudhon or Bakunin or what have you is just ridiculous especially considering the guy's gone into depth about what quirky ancient economists he truly does dig. The man is a Marxist he just happens to go on a lot of I Fucking Love Science pods.

    I'm not done with my 🚔🚨👨‍⚕️psychological profiling either I think an RTS player turning to a swarm and control strategy makes perfect sense. It's not really a concern to me though, ultimately people's arguments stand up or they don't. People who throw a lot of ultraliberal jibber jabber into the discourse don't accomplish anything no matter how many accounts it's spread across. Like the raddle and the lemmy.world moderators upvoting themselves with bots, the only people who care about that kind of stuff aren't predisposed towards any theory related to taking action on the ground anyways. Some of the stuff on RedSails that's been reposted is cute, but all of the original writing on it restates the obvious. I checked it out originally for the Xinjiang genocide debunking, but that really doesn't take any grasp of historical materialism to refute.

    For the most part original articles consist of inane historical references which Stalin would have laughed at.

    Redsails is very similar to Caleb Maupin's webpage for CPI where he reposts a bunch of marxists.org stuff but for a more highbrow audience. 😁

    • GodDamnAmercia [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      " I'm not done with my 🚔🚨👨‍⚕️psychological profiling either I think an RTS player turning to a swarm and control strategy makes perfect sense. It's not really a concern to me though, ultimately people's arguments stand up or they don't."

      I am commanding a squad of elite red sails operatives with air support from Proleswiki to destroy your positions on the battlefield of ideas. IMHO I think you might be a bit off your rocker about all this.

      • ivy@lemmy.ml
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        Yeah you would have gotten a lot more out of me on Prolewiki back when I was on there months ago if not for all this nonsense. It's almost as dead as the uhh [redacted website]. I didn't get into it with anyone I just have extremely high standards for contributing to wikis (and very low standards for smashing the "it's finished" button on my Lemmy replies ☄️) so I did the Irish Goodbye

        Good on war crimes and covert ops, but a bit light on stuff like this

      • hyperobject@lemmy.ml
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        5 months ago

        All things considered, this might be believable if you didn't disappear into the ether forever