The disastrous implications of lifting Zero-COVID in China
www.wsws.org
The objective laws of viral transmission mean that any shift away from a Zero-COVID elimination strategy carries with it the potential for the situation to quickly spiral out of control.

(note: while WSWS (trot site) uses CCP instead of CPC, they generally have good takes on China and support China against US imperialism)

(note: to clarify, this article is in support of Zero-COVID and sees the lifting of the policy as a grave mistake)

(note: i do not necessarily support all the shit wsws says i am not a fucking trot)

  • DengXixian [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    If leftist westerners trusted the CPC to institute zero covid, then they should also reasonably trust the CPC to wind it down and/or adjust it. China held out as long as they could, but it’s clear they did not win this fight in the global economy.

    The US is now taking steps to re-establish productive forces in its own country. Holding out longer would mean disaster for China on a longer timescale.

    I’m unsurprised that a Trotskyist website is upset that a communist party is adapting to material conditions. Their ideology is very fixated on orthodoxy.

    • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      the article literally demands global revolution and global zero-covid before China is allowed to adjust their policy. utopian insanity and presumptuous demands

      • DengXixian [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        :wojak-nooo: nooooo you have to do global revolution now noooooooo

        :pika-pickaxe:

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Oh yeah, violent global revolutions are totally good for preventing the spread of disease. Forcing the breakdown of any type of quarantine enforcement and flooding the medical system with casualties will surely help us stop covid.

        • DengXixian [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          there is a reason trotskyists tend to eat shit everytime they get a turn at the wheel.

          I am continually surprised how inflexible and petulant adherents of that tendency often are.

      • DigimonOtis [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Utopian society is when we don't fill the world with pestilence and constant natural disasters to serve the global capitalist markets.

        • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Utopian is when you demand the entire world reverse course, go back in time 2 years, enact a competent pandemic response when there’s no political will to do so whatsoever. Failing that you demand the one competent country hobble itself forever

            • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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              2 years ago

              Trot left anti-communist going against the internal policies of Actually Existing Socialism, demanding policies where you have no say in the continued tradition of western chauvinists

              • DigimonOtis [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                anti-communism is when you say countries that still grew and thrives during the pandemic shouldn't cripple their population for global capital markets.

                • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  The people and party who led those successful policies are still in charge and are the ones controlling policy. Do you support them or not?

                  Do you understand governing a modern nation and complex economy takes a delicate, dialectical process of weighing several contradictory forces? A dogmatic or ultra stance is often at odds with reality and will cause disasters. The CPC is walking a fine line and dodging contradictions and mitigating them, I trust they know what they are doing here.

                • DigimonOtis [none/use name]
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                  2 years ago

                  "Oh, we're so crippled. China's actually finished due to zero COVID. ""the economy"" can't take it."
                  -Liberals in China, liberals on this site

                    • DengXixian [he/him]
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                      2 years ago

                      bizarre that you're reading such a statement into that. did you read the article OP linked? it's unhinged and not backed by actual policy.

                      also I am a proud Dengist, in case that isn't clear.

                    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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                      2 years ago

                      No, the party understands that the Chinese people don't actually like zero-Covid, but merely tolerate it for the sake of public health but that their patience has a limit. This discrepancy, if left unchecked, will metastasize into resentment over the party and eventually, jeopardize the socialist project. Public health is one thing, but the continuation of the socialist project is another.

                    • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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                      2 years ago

                      Keep replying to yourself and arguing in circles with bold proclamations, such a perfect allegory for the western trot left

    • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      then they should also reasonably trust the CPC to wind it down and/or adjust it.

      no, look at new zealand and how those liberal got it kinda right for so long and then fucked it up so severely by ending measures too soon. there's nothing magical about being AES or run at least partially by ideological marxists that makes you immune to fucking up like that, especially when you have to participate in a global capitalist economy.

      i hope i'm wrong but china might be doing a bunch of social murder here. not that i could do anything about it one way or the other. it's less wEsTeRn CrItIcIsM oF cHinA and more watching somebody i respected and admired about to fuck up the thing they were doing better than everybody else for approximately no reason.