Voting matters. Y’all should grow up. Yes, voting doesn’t solve everything but it clearly matters.

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  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Biden was never going to pass an abortion bill or other things, and if he really cared he would push the party to rush that stuff through during the lame duck session.

    Voting doesn't matter. I know because :i-voted:

    • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Biden was never going to pass an abortion bill, sure. But Biden will never pass a nation wide transitioning ban. Trump would.

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Absence of evil without the codification of good just delays the inevitable codification of evil.

        • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Good. Let's fucking delay the god damned evil instead of letting it proceed unimpeded please.

          • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            Yup. That is what leftists advocate for. Not for an organization around the actual mechanisms of working class power. Nope, just standing around and doing nothing.

            Under your strategy you will just end up with evil. Good job! :thumb-cop:

            • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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              2 years ago

              Did I ever say to stop doing praxis? If I did, I'm sorry, my mistake. But I don't remember saying anything about stopping doing praxis.

              • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                Idk, do you think voting for Democrats is praxis? Cause it isn't. It is just evil delayed.

                • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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                  2 years ago

                  Evil delayed is preferable to evil immediately.

                  And because it seems to be up in the air, let me just clarify that a single well placed Molotov cocktail is worth a million votes. But if there's such a fuss about bubbling in some circles on a sheet of paper for fifteen minutes a year to have a shot at buying trans kids another year or two, I know y'all don't have what it takes to riot when it really counts.

                  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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                    2 years ago

                    I just want to point out how absolutely bonkers this line of argumentation is to any Libyan, Syrian, Pakistani, Yemeni, Honduran, who else am I missing????....

                    It's kinda funny how reality makes a mockery of this kayfabe "lesser" evil bullshit, you think a kid getting torn to shreds by a drone missile gives a fuck about the so-called "lEser EvIliSm of uS doMeStiC pOlTics"

                    Don't play on morality and then expect people to vote for a foreign policy that is absolutely indistinguishable between parties and if NOT voting makes a person morally culpable for "something", then what does voting for people who drone children do to your morality, hmmm? Or is politics all about convenience?

                    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                      2 years ago

                      Every person who shouts about how democrats are the lesser evil should, for the good of humanity, be strapped into the clockwork orange machine and made to watch the collateral murder tape for a month.

                  • MendingBenjamin [they/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    fifteen minutes a year

                    Congrats on the well-functioning voting apparatus in your area. In mine it’s 6 hours and a day of lost wages. I still do it for the reasons you’re stating and because local elections are more competitive, but that’s just a nonstarter for a lot of people. Like, there are systemic reasons for people not voting. It’s not all moral failing

                  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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                    2 years ago

                    If you keep nagging people to vote for evil delayed, they will not trust you to ever codify good, and therefore when you claim that you will, they will rightfully point at you and proclaim "Liar!".

                • LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  You vote on election day and spend the rest of your time organizing. That is all I'm saying. Come election day, you vote for the Democrats. Why? Because they're better (less bad) than the alternative.

      • Pseudoplatanus22 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The only way he'd be able to do that is if he managed to get back into power, and the only way he could get back into power is if the Dems don't do enough to keep the GOP out of the White House. If they lose, it's on them for not earning left wing and working class votes and for not un-gerrymandering the electoral districs or fundamentally reforming the electoral college whilst they had a majority.

        As it stands they're holding women's and LGBT rights to ransom, but after Roe v Wade was overturned, we know now that they can't even protect what rights already exist. From what I can tell from the other side of the Atlantic, Americans don't really have any incentive to vote if they're not already living comfortably.