I keep every now and then feeling the urge to return and I think it's more because the grind in WoW, especially now that I've realized rogue is the perfect class for me, is a great way to switch off my brain and just play and grind.

When I first played WoW for years, I played with a warlock that I liked thematically but was actually terrible at; I played warlock, warrior and druid, and I was terrible/mediocre at all three, but when I got WoW classic back when it first launched, I played rogue and was blown away by how easy it was to be good at being a rogue, but also how capable they were in solo play as well (which I thought they wouldn't be).

What killed the game for me though was when 'the realization' hit; that realization being the core goal: You farm the current raids over and over and over, so that you can be well geared for when the next raid drops and then you farm that raid over and over and over again, so that you can be well geared for when the next raid drops and then you farm that raid over and over and over again, ad infinitum.

Basically: You farm, so you can farm, so you can farm, so you can farm, etc. infinitely.

I recall when I first did Molten core, my guild and I were terrible and couldn't beat ragnaros the first time, then we went next week and through much struggle managed to kill him, and then I was dismayed because I realized I was going to be back there again next week, and the next, and the next, forever until we were all geared up, so that when the next raid dropped, we could farm that one over and over and over again infinitely, etc. That realization killed the game for me immediately and as far as my guild was concerned, I just dropped off the face of the earth cause I logged out and never wanted to go back in again. What an utterly stupid and awful concept, gameplay intended to make you farm for the rest of your life and to keep giving you reasons to keep logging in forever rather than play something else.

Now however I'm in the mood for something I can do absentmindedly, and the gameplay and artstyle of World of Warcraft are both great for me (world of warcraft classic mind you; I don't think I want to play WoW retail ever again. I stopped playing WoW retail back during wrath of the lich king (2nd expansion pack) and only briefly touched the game during cataclysm. I tested my warlock super briefly during one of the recent expansion packs and was immediately turned off by the bizarre new powers he got and the unintelligible new talent screen). I tried playing guild wars 2, and I have an immense respect for what they accomplished with it, but the way your abilities work is not as fun as WoW and the cartoony artstyle of WoW is more appealing to me.

I'm super tempted to go back, and the rogue's gameplay fits me like a glove. I don't know though if I should go back; when I first played WoW, I was so trash at the game and I never joined a guild, so I missed almost every single raid experience, and I missed the many, many dungeons in Wrath of the lich king and beyond.

I recently decided to download a host of free to play MMOs to try and chase that absentminded grind gameplay, but I already recognize the world of Azeroth and most of the important NPCs and storylines, these other games I know very little or nothing about. Before I get a subscription to WoW again though, I might try Neverwinter at least to see if it scratches that itch (at least Forgotten Realms is somewhat familiar to me).

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    I personally wouldn't be giving money to the Bill Cosby suite company shrug-outta-hecks

  • Comp4 [she/her]
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    2 months ago

    I stopped playing WoW after Burning Crusade. I have no answer for you but I hope you find what you are looking for. Be it WoW or another MMO.

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 months ago

      Thanks, I think I'll be going back to WoW; after a horrifying experience about five minutes ago, I think I'll go with a game that didn't make my PC explode two minutes after switching it on.

  • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
    hexagon
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    2 months ago

    Welp, it's 100% not going to be Neverwinter; I changed the setting of (frequency?) to 120hz and something in my PC exploded. The game initially started out flickering like crazy, then it said it was setting my graphics settings to a lower value, then I raised the frequency from 60hz to 120hz and a few seconds later, BOOM, and then my PC restarts and the BIOS screen says something about my power supply. Brilliant.

  • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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    2 months ago

    I got tired of feeling like MMOs were trying to waste my time. When I was a kid it was fine, I had some time to waste, but my 'realization' was that all the MMOs I tried made the game worse, deliberately, in order for you to pay to get around the intentionally bad design and save time.

    Since I was in it to be social, minecraft servers or just about any co-op game could do that for me without being stupidly designed to use time I no longer had to spend on chopping wood or whatever.

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 months ago

      I can't speak to other games and how they try to incentivize you to waste your money (though Diablo Immortal is kind of egregious about this) but WoW's biggest problem (and even more so as more expansions came out) was that it seems like they're giving you incentive to basically only ever play WoW because of the sheer glut of things to do. You got:

      1. Collecting pets, and now pets can battle one another apparently

      2. Collecting mounts

      3. Raising reputation with the many, many, many factions in the game

      4. Repeatedly running the same raid every week, except now multiple raids are relevant at the same time so you'll be running multiple raid instances every week

      5. Guilds can be leveled up

      6. Achievements to collect, as some of them will reward you as well upon completion

      7. Harder versions of existing dungeons

      8. Ranking up your professions

      9. Ranking up secondary professions; fishing, bandaging and archaeology (though I liked archaeology at least)

      10. PVP arenas and their unique rewards

      11. Daily quests

      12. Leveling alts now as apparently the game allows you to share professions on other characters among one another

      13. Raiding enemy cities

      14. Farming materials for your professions

      15. Farming gold in general

      16. .....there's probably other stuff but I can't currently recall them off the top of my head

      I thankfully do have free time to waste, and I just can't be bothered to be productive with it. Also I don't want to play a game that makes me have to focus with like reading or researching (the research being for missable items and quests). For a while I was planning on playing lots of Vampire Survivors-likes, but I'm tapped out on the genre. I want something I can grind in while playing a movie or TV show; I think my primary desire is to watch stuff, but I need something I can do with my hands while I watch, and it needs to be mindless so I can focus primarily on what I'm watching.

  • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    some people enjoy raiding. if you dread the idea of raiding then end game wow isn't for you. basically that simple, you just don't enjoy the end game.

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 months ago

      I'm tempted to try going back and seeing if I might enjoy raiding more now as the raids beyond molten core at least are better to look at (one of the things I hated about MC was that it was both gigantic and entirely unremarkable in design), additionally I'll try joining a larger guild and embracing the social aspects of being part of a guild (the guild I initially joined was so small we had to cooperate with a second guild to run MC every time). It also didn't help that pre-TBC you basically had to farm tons of materials to be raid ready, like elemental fires to make greater fire resistance potions, and to run the super early part of BRS to get the fire resistance buff; lots of prep work before you could be raid ready. I don't know if that changed in TBC.

      I do recall I enjoyed running Karazhan with the guild I'd joined when I played WoW back in the early 2000's; I think perhaps raiding in TBC and beyond may be what I'm looking for and I'm tempted to give it another shot, especially as no raid looks as drab as MC.

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Depends on what drives you. From what I've heard, there have been a lot of little gameplay improvements and leveling is no longer as tedious. Raids and dungeons are also overall better than where it used to be past Wrath.

    I loved Warcraft 2/3 so the lore and universe pretty much carried it for me (though I could never get used to RP servers). Consequently, I stopped playing WoW around the time the story and lore went from just badly-written to offensively bad (so from Cataclysm to the Siege of Orgrimmar in MOP). Guess the MMO format Blizzard cultivated doesn't lend well to satisfying stories. Didn't help that my friends and I got too busy with college at the time to play together so the social aspect was gone.

  • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
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    2 months ago

    This is why I never gave a fuck about raids.

    PvP made the game fun every time.

    If it still had the population levels of Vanilla or BC, I might still play.