Disturbing reports continue to emerge about mass graves in Gaza in which Palestinian victims were reportedly found stripped naked with their hands tied, prompting renewed concerns about possible war crimes amid ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the UN human rights office, OHCHR, said on Tuesday.
    • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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      2 months ago

      Including people who didn't really decide on where to live, like their children?

      • idkmybffjoeysteel [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        Adults who were born in Israel, yes, children, no, but your handwringing is funny, since dead Israeli toddlers are purely hypothetical, and you clearly give no fucks about dead Palestinian babies.

        Stick your hand in a blender and turn it on.

        • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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          2 months ago

          you clearly give no fucks about dead Palestinian babies.

          I do. Mentioning civilian victims on Israeli an side doesn't mean I don't care about civilian victims on Palestinian side, this point was simply already covered largely.

          Also please refrain from personal attacks and other violence threats.

          • Infamousblt [any]
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            2 months ago

            You: actively defending genocide

            Also you: PLZ NO PERSONAL ATTACKS CIVILITY IS IMPORTANT

            • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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              2 months ago

              No, I am not defending the war crimes of Israeli army nor the ones of Hamas. Just read what I wrote, there's no more to imagine.

              • Infamousblt [any]
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                2 months ago

                You're pointing out the crimes of the victims rather than the oppressors. That's defense of the oppressors no matter how many mental backflips you do to pretend it's not

      • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        Including people who didn’t really decide on where to live, like their children?

        Well that's an interesting moral line in the sand to draw in this case.

        https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/six-wars-old/

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        • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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          2 months ago

          I think wanting to avoid innocent civilian deaths is a moral line that is valid for both sides.

          • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            While I agree with that, it doesn't feel like your question to the other commenter carries quite the weight in this specific context as it might in others given that neither side has been clean about this, and it's not the Palestinian side that has intentionally blown up a playground within the past week.

            I do generally think it's hard to equate the two fairly in this context, given the power differential between the two forces and their relative capabilities to be discerning if they so chose.

            • o_d [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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              2 months ago

              I apologize if I misunderstood you, but there is no both sides here. The united nations recognizes the right to armed struggle against occupation.

              UNGA Resolution 37/43 (1982) reaffirmed the “inalienable right” of the Palestinian people “and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination” to self-determination. It also reaffirmed the legitimacy of “the struggle of peoples for […] liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle.”

              https://www.cjpme.org/fs_236/

              It even mentions the Palestinian struggle explicitly.

        • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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          2 months ago

          I find different sources saying about 30 children were murdered, but given that some bodies were mutilated or burnt the counts are not obvious. https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/dozens-of-children-died-in-hamas-oct-7-attack-on-israel-contrary-to-online-claim/

          • o_d [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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            2 months ago

            Killed by who?

            A separate report published in Haaretz noted that the Israeli military was “compelled to request an aerial strike” against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza “in order to repulse the terrorists” who had seized control. That base was filled with Israeli Civil Administration officers and soldiers at the time.

            An Israeli woman named Yasmin Porat confirmed in an interview with Israel Radio that the military “undoubtedly” killed numerous Israeli noncombatants during gun battles with Hamas militants on October 7. “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she stated, referring to Israeli special forces.

            While being held by the Hamas gunmen, Porat recalled, “They did not abuse us. We were treated very humanely… No one treated us violently.”

            She added, “The objective was to kidnap us to Gaza, not to murder us.”

            https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

            I'm aware that some of the hostages that were taken were children. All accounts suggest that they were treated well, for hostages anyway. Its important to recognize that the Zionist regime keeps thousands upon thousands of Palestinian hostages, many of which are children. The Zionists could have negotiated an exchange, ensuring the safe return of all Israeli hostages. Instead, they decided to bomb the living shit out of Gaza, pretty much ensuring their demise.

      • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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        2 months ago

        It's tragic, but that's what happens when your state primarily defends itself with human shields.

      • D61 [any]
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        2 months ago

        Why would there be Israeli children inside places like the West Bank or Gaza?

          • D61 [any]
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            2 months ago

            Why would an Israeli family be living in the West Bank or Gaza? And who would be more likely to be killing their children, Israeli occupation forces or Palestinian resistance to the occupation forces?

              • BeamBrain [he/him]
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                2 months ago

                Between the starvation, contaminated water, lack of medical care, and indiscriminate IDF bombings, a large portion of Palestinians are going to become martyrs whether they want to or not. I don't blame Hamas for helping the children feel better about the reality of their situation.