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The context of the reddit thread was discussing how to best make money from AI generators btw

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    suffer the indignity of working a normal job that isn’t producing art

    Everyone you dislike is apparently petite bourgeoise to you, especially artists. You already called me a liar in this thread, but what you're saying up front is worse than what you're accusing me of.

    Dividing the working class, which includes artists, into tiers of worthy and unworthy laborers based on who wears a hard hat or who works with hand tools, is a wrecker or even a chud take.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I'm fairly poor myself but crabs in a bucket mentality is not a leftist perspective I agree with. I believe in a society where artists can still exist and make a living doing art no matter how much you personally hate them and want them to suffer because they aren't working your exact same job.

        I also noticed you're dodging the revenge porn and career/reputation/life wrecking aspects of deepfaking coworkers, rivals, or even children, entirely.

          • vccx [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            I want to get art for as little as possible and they want to be paid as much as possible.

            Any labor is worth what it's worth, obviously considering intensity of work and training required. I don't understand how you can be mad at this.

            An hour of your work is worth an equivalent hour of another worker's work.

              • vccx [they/them]
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                2 years ago

                It's not a sound analysis because

                A: You can apply that observation to literally every worker that negotiates pay (waiters' tips, Uber tips, plumber, all craftsmen and tradesmen)

                And

                B: Pointless because it's anti worker and anti solidarity, dead end. Your interests working in presumably the core are still improved by the hyper exploitation of the periphery, your conditions worsening would still be bad

                Creative and fulfilling labor is still labor, protecting and making that available to as many people as possible should be the goal.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I think you have a strong argument there regarding class interest, even if we continue to disagree regarding who constitutes what class and what the cutoff point is. I think there is one, mind you. I have absolutely no sympathy, fondness, or even respect for the living money laundering experts that sell cans of their own shit to the ruling class, for example.

            Most of my concerns about this technology are about the legal wild west it is currently in, how there's just about no legal protection for people affected by technology assisted fake revenge porn (such as legal means to protect jobs that can be lost from such faked revenge porn, and I don't even know what can be done about damaged reputations and personal lives inflicted by creeps with cheap and available means to hurt them), and to some extent the fact that the ruling class drive to crush creative expression out of the ruling class and make them into obedient revenue producers and nothing more is helped along by worsening the precarious situation of artists of modest means.

          • vccx [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Commissioning individual artists has always been a bourgeois thing. This is about locking proles out of cultural mass production and locking them out entirely.

            Selling your labor to bourgeois pigs (the only people that can afford to pay) so that you can eat makes you a prole. Working at a production house makes you a prole. It's like getting mad at an Uber driver.

            I don't understand why you're upset that some fields have better working conditions than others when the collective struggle is to improve work conditions for everyone, and the conditions of production artists are already mostly sweatshops in the third world to begin with.

              • vccx [they/them]
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                2 years ago

                The users don't matter here

                You must destroy AI because eventually it will probably replace doctors for 99% of daily functions and that 1% a new function of being completely devoid of compassion and experiencing no trauma from denying people care (total insurance company surveillance) and having no qualms with slowly pushing medically assisted euthanasia onto welfare and disability queens, as described by tech bros unproductive surplus members of society

                You can already see how AI management at Amazon warehouses and Uber treat people

                Anything that previously required a human face can be replaced with an algorithm with an infinite capacity to immiserate you beyond everything you've already experienced.

                If you've ever been on welfare or disability you can imagine the nightmare of having an AI case worker