Do these chuds think there will be a spontaneous right wing uprising if they keep shooting out the power? If anything, when the power goes out in weather disasters most people behave pretty communistic, what with helping their neighbors, driving their vehicles into deep water to rescue people, driving across state lines with boats to help evacuate people they've never met. These power station shooters are not critical thinkers, who could have guessed.
When the 2020 wildfires were roaring in Oregon, fascists were setting up road checkpoints looking for the Antifa supersoldiers who were causing all the wildfires. That's all they need really. Some sort of breakdown of civil order where they can shift local control to their militias and sheriff departments. At that point we'd be counting on liberals to assert institutional control and federal authority over states that have all but seceded.
That level of organization seems to have only worked in Oregon because of the large number of militias operating there, which I don't think holds for most of the rest of the US. Their checkpoints only lasted for the duration of the wildfires, also. I'm not saying there's no way for these power outages to result in some kind of fascist uprising, but it would take way more effort, organization, and manpower to do it, and it likely wouldn't even last as long as the CHAZ farce did.
edit: also, in rural areas, they're really only going to be harassing other conservatives just trying to live their lives. Checkpoints isn't really a winning strategy, it's just doing things they've seen on teevee without any next step planned.
i agree, people arent suddenly going to be rushing the police or capitol building cause the power is out. we have fairly soft and cushy lives so most of us still prefer to be alive.
really if you held maybe 3 bait events(Drag queens for kids or something) and wiped out all the counter protesters(especially the armed ones) youd reduce their numbers by alot. These pieces of shit are driving hours to go to these protests.
of course im not saying anyone should do that, just if.
Yeah the only spontaneous action I could feasibly imagine in response, particularly in rural areas, is people in need pulling a lights-out raid on Wal Mart or the Dollar General. And for the record, I am in favor of that.
These pieces of shit are driving hours to go to these protests.
:100-com: Every time there's a big event the chuds are driving hours and hours to get there, even decked out in armor traveling in box trucks, and they're still outnumbered by locals who just walked out their door and down the street to kick some out-of-state fascist's ass.
Letterykenny has a great episode where that happens. Bunch of nazis show up for some shit and the last scene of the episode is just like 5 minutes of the entire town beating the shit out of them.
Google/Youtube search is garbage but somewhere there are loads of videos of randos on the street in philly seeing those patriot front dweebs marching in their loser uniforms and just taking it on themselves to try to kick their asses. To be specific, none of them were counter protesters, just people on the street who felt deep down in their bellies the urge to pants and swirly those numbnuts dorks. Even groups of what looked like moms walking around were chasing those turds down.
:rat-salute-2: the philly accent grates on my ears but i respect philly more than any other city for their dedication to kicking snow roach nationalist asses at the drop of a hat
i think on some level they know that their ideal society is unpopular, but they think a collapse style scenario would give them an easier way to impose it on the rest of us
I think it's more that they want to invite a response from the feds that incites the militiamen types. Like, they want the feds to go all Ruby Ridge and give the extreme right a rallying point. They're attempting to incite a confrontation and they want that confrontation to be the catalyst for a right wing uprising.
To be fair that probably would work to a degree. Like I doubt they could get remotely organized enough for a government over throw but if there was a real fed crack down I could see a major rise in violence from right wing militias. At minimum huge shoot outs when feds try to raid compounds. Hell a fed crack down on the general public might actually get a bunch of people off their ass.
I think more likely we could see something similar to the Jim Crow era emerge where state and local governments become co-opted by the far right and so you see local on the ground rule by the far right awkwardly coexisting within the federal system.
Like, in Jim Crow all of the south was de facto one party rule under the Democrats and you’re seeing the same alignment happen now under the GOP. Under Jim Crow, criminal militias coordinated with sympathetic local law enforcement to use terror as the tool to enforce white conservative rule. The feds turned a blind eye by calling this a state issue for state law enforcement to deal with.
I think something more like this is more probable. The federal US won’t disintegrate, they’ll just paper over it and continue business as usual, but on the state level we will see these right wing militarists take over by taking over the politically dominant GOP, law enforcement, with the role of the militias being to terrorize other groups into submission rather than to fight a pitched battle against the feds.
I hadn't really thought of it that way but that makes a lot of sense. You're right we are already starting to see it happen particularly in border states. And with all the new bounty programs for snitching on trans people and people needing abortions it's actively being encouraged. However that is running counter to idea that they are looking for a catalyst to start a shooting war with the feds. On the other hand no one has ever accused chuds of having coherent thoughts.
A decent number died to cops as well. So much of this is only possible because the figures of authority are on your side, if not actively participating in the lynchings.
Its just crazy to see people shooting at electric grids, though. That's the kind of stocastic terrorism that suggests a real break down in social cohesion.
Yes, the type of CHUD doing this essentially wants to instigate the collapse of American society under the belief that it will bring a sort of millennarian renewal. And they think these lone wolf attacks will do that.
Violence plays a central role here, since many of these individuals are active in the suppression of the surplus population in the near hinterland - the exurb bordering newly impoverished, diverse inner-ring suburbs where immigrants settle in large numbers alongside those forced out of the urban core by skyrocketing rents. This reactionary politics is simply the idea that the regular violence used by the status quo in its maintenance of the present world of police, prisons, and poverty might also be widened, aimed at the urban core itself and the soft-handed liberals made to suffer. The world can be restored into the hands of the barbarians through salvific acts of violence, capable of forcing the collapse and hastening the approach of the True Community. It is in this way that the far right in the US, as elsewhere, is an essentially terroristic force, and will almost always target the innocent, the weak, and the dispossessed in its exercise of power. Behind the call to "start the world" lies a desire to simply watch it all collapse, to force the world to burn, and everyone to burn with it.
Do these chuds think there will be a spontaneous right wing uprising if they keep shooting out the power? If anything, when the power goes out in weather disasters most people behave pretty communistic, what with helping their neighbors, driving their vehicles into deep water to rescue people, driving across state lines with boats to help evacuate people they've never met. These power station shooters are not critical thinkers, who could have guessed.
When the 2020 wildfires were roaring in Oregon, fascists were setting up road checkpoints looking for the Antifa supersoldiers who were causing all the wildfires. That's all they need really. Some sort of breakdown of civil order where they can shift local control to their militias and sheriff departments. At that point we'd be counting on liberals to assert institutional control and federal authority over states that have all but seceded.
That level of organization seems to have only worked in Oregon because of the large number of militias operating there, which I don't think holds for most of the rest of the US. Their checkpoints only lasted for the duration of the wildfires, also. I'm not saying there's no way for these power outages to result in some kind of fascist uprising, but it would take way more effort, organization, and manpower to do it, and it likely wouldn't even last as long as the CHAZ farce did.
edit: also, in rural areas, they're really only going to be harassing other conservatives just trying to live their lives. Checkpoints isn't really a winning strategy, it's just doing things they've seen on teevee without any next step planned.
hey put some respect on CHAZ.
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i agree, people arent suddenly going to be rushing the police or capitol building cause the power is out. we have fairly soft and cushy lives so most of us still prefer to be alive.
really if you held maybe 3 bait events(Drag queens for kids or something) and wiped out all the counter protesters(especially the armed ones) youd reduce their numbers by alot. These pieces of shit are driving hours to go to these protests.
of course im not saying anyone should do that, just if.
Yeah the only spontaneous action I could feasibly imagine in response, particularly in rural areas, is people in need pulling a lights-out raid on Wal Mart or the Dollar General. And for the record, I am in favor of that.
:100-com: Every time there's a big event the chuds are driving hours and hours to get there, even decked out in armor traveling in box trucks, and they're still outnumbered by locals who just walked out their door and down the street to kick some out-of-state fascist's ass.
Letterykenny has a great episode where that happens. Bunch of nazis show up for some shit and the last scene of the episode is just like 5 minutes of the entire town beating the shit out of them.
Edit: Found part of it
Pitter patter, Philly got at 'er
Google/Youtube search is garbage but somewhere there are loads of videos of randos on the street in philly seeing those patriot front dweebs marching in their loser uniforms and just taking it on themselves to try to kick their asses. To be specific, none of them were counter protesters, just people on the street who felt deep down in their bellies the urge to pants and swirly those numbnuts dorks. Even groups of what looked like moms walking around were chasing those turds down.
Lol I used to live in philly, if they pulled that shit in my hood they literally would have gotten shot.
:rat-salute-2: the philly accent grates on my ears but i respect philly more than any other city for their dedication to kicking snow roach nationalist asses at the drop of a hat
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i think on some level they know that their ideal society is unpopular, but they think a collapse style scenario would give them an easier way to impose it on the rest of us
I think it's more that they want to invite a response from the feds that incites the militiamen types. Like, they want the feds to go all Ruby Ridge and give the extreme right a rallying point. They're attempting to incite a confrontation and they want that confrontation to be the catalyst for a right wing uprising.
To be fair that probably would work to a degree. Like I doubt they could get remotely organized enough for a government over throw but if there was a real fed crack down I could see a major rise in violence from right wing militias. At minimum huge shoot outs when feds try to raid compounds. Hell a fed crack down on the general public might actually get a bunch of people off their ass.
I agree outright civil war is unlikely.
I think more likely we could see something similar to the Jim Crow era emerge where state and local governments become co-opted by the far right and so you see local on the ground rule by the far right awkwardly coexisting within the federal system.
Like, in Jim Crow all of the south was de facto one party rule under the Democrats and you’re seeing the same alignment happen now under the GOP. Under Jim Crow, criminal militias coordinated with sympathetic local law enforcement to use terror as the tool to enforce white conservative rule. The feds turned a blind eye by calling this a state issue for state law enforcement to deal with.
I think something more like this is more probable. The federal US won’t disintegrate, they’ll just paper over it and continue business as usual, but on the state level we will see these right wing militarists take over by taking over the politically dominant GOP, law enforcement, with the role of the militias being to terrorize other groups into submission rather than to fight a pitched battle against the feds.
I hadn't really thought of it that way but that makes a lot of sense. You're right we are already starting to see it happen particularly in border states. And with all the new bounty programs for snitching on trans people and people needing abortions it's actively being encouraged. However that is running counter to idea that they are looking for a catalyst to start a shooting war with the feds. On the other hand no one has ever accused chuds of having coherent thoughts.
Wouldn't surprise me if it was a local cop doing it to get some more "terrorism fighting" money and toys.
During Katrina a decent number of black people died to lynch mobs
Very true, but Katrina was way, way, way more than just power being out.
A decent number died to cops as well. So much of this is only possible because the figures of authority are on your side, if not actively participating in the lynchings.
Its just crazy to see people shooting at electric grids, though. That's the kind of stocastic terrorism that suggests a real break down in social cohesion.
Yes, the type of CHUD doing this essentially wants to instigate the collapse of American society under the belief that it will bring a sort of millennarian renewal. And they think these lone wolf attacks will do that.
More on this since I'm home with my books now:
-Hinterlands (2018), by Phil A Neel
Thanks for that, good quote. Gonna add this book to my reading list.